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Found in Him
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quote:
Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
eden, you'll love this. The Lord would say, "How long have I been with you, and still you don't understand? When will you come to understanding? For you do resist my will, and make excuses."

1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord!

Your friend will be saved before you understand! You should pray that is soon!

PLEASE STOP Michael!
Your words are confusing, offensive and rude. These are children of God that you are striking at every single day. I can hardly find a post where you have not attempted to slam a child of God.
You set yourself up for dissension.
That is not God's doing.
It is NOT edifying.
It is NOT instructional
It is NOT beneficial.
It is CONFUSION and is NOT of God.
PLEASE STOP.

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Michael Harrison writes
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eden, you'll love this. The Lord would say, "How long have I been with you, and still you don't understand?
Why should I love this? It's the same old drivel about "I, Michael Harrison, understand the Bible, but YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND the Bible and WHEN WILL YOU LEARN"?

But I do understand a lot of things from the Bible, but I can always learn more, as we all can.

How can you say that as a Bible-believing Christian "I still do not understand"? I understand that Jesus died for me and that as a result, I do not have to die in the future. That alone is a GIANT realization for any sinner, and thank God, I have found the truth that Jesus died for me so that I don't have to die.

The rest is organic icing on the organic cake, thankuverymuch.

love, Eden

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Birds of a feather flock together.

Woe is us who unbelieve. Woe is me. Woe is you?
Just joking. I believe. I believe that Michael is a nut !

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eden, you'll love this. The Lord would say, "How long have I been with you, and still you don't understand? When will you come to understanding? For you do resist my will, and make excuses."

1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord!

Your friend will be saved before you understand! You should pray that is soon!

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Thank you Jesus for helping Eden say what I have been thinking ALL DAY LONG.


I love you Eden.
[hug]

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bluefrog wrote to Michael Harrison
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Your long build-up has been to say to us that the Lord is so into you that you speak as or for Him to us the lost.
Good line.

I have a longtime, unsaved friend who is the UNSAVED version of Michael Harrison, and his line basically is, "Okay, boys, listen up! I'm going to tell you how it REALLY is, you boys have just been thinking that you REALLY know, but you DON'T, and now I AM going to tell you how it REALLY is and what you have been missing", or something always along that same line.

In psychology this is usually a person who has a great need to "be controlling" because of things that have happened in their life.

It is also called "megalomania" ("thinking oneself to be THE one who has received THE TRUTH and no one else can explain the truth better than he, so LISTEN UP all you dummies!").

Michael Harrison is a Christian version of my friend who "enlists students into his class whether they WANT to BE students in his class or not, "lest they perish".

And that would be laudable if Michael Harrison was trying to teach UNBELIEVERS, but since BELIEVERS are already covered by the blood of Jesus, what more do believers need than THAT?

love, Eden

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Dear Michael Harrison, you wrote
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Yes indeed, that was what Paul was all about. And did people resent him? You bet your bippy. For they lusted to 'envy' that he would lord himself over them. But was he? There is something wrong when people will not receive instruction, who being resentful of any advice, will backbite, and rebel. But the judgment of God is upon them, even as there were those who were slain in the wilderness.
Now, if you wrote all that about UNBELIEVERS, then you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, for as you say, "There is something wrong when people will not receive instruction, who being resentful of any advice, will backbite, and rebel. But the judgment of God is upon them ...".

Yes, that is indeed true of UNBELIEVERS, but the odd part is that you are saying these things ABOUT BELIEVERS, and that is the part that is WRONG.

First of all, BELIEVERS are all covered by the blood of Jesus, and yes, some may attain "greater heights" and "do better" in certain parts of their lives as Christians, but "no matter how good they get", THEY ARE STILL SINNERS in need of the blood of Jesus covering them because there is NO Christian who can CLEAN HIMSELF UP 100%.

So all BELIEVERS, if they believe in the blood of Jesus, ARE COVERED by the blood, PRAISE THE LORD!!! And what will ye add then?!? If God be for us, who can be against us"?

And in any case, Michael Harrison, the best way to show ANY person, including believers, is to show HOW MUCH JOY and DEPTH YOU have in Jesus, and then PEOPLE WILL PICK UP ON THAT, for sure, and will want to know how you did it. In other words, by showing what YOU have accomplished in Christ, perhaps we can find that same joy too.

But instead you allege that OTHER people, even believers, are backbiters and rebellious and all the other things you said, which is the very REVERSE of showing the GLORY that YOU have attained, since you seem to say that you HAVE ALREADY moved from great glory to great glory:

2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even by the Spirit of the Lord.

From the way YOU talk, you must already be BURSTING AT THE SEAMS with joy and glory, BUT instead of telling us HOW that happened in YOU, you instead spend a lot of time telling us "how almost all the other believers are doing it wrong" (eventhough they are all covered under the blood of Jesus).

I think you have a "teacher complex"; everybody else is "only good enough to be a student" and "you are going to fix them, whether they want to be fixed or not". A "teacher" needs "students" so you "create some" by fiat.

By comparison, I think that most everyone here on this bbs is both a teacher and a student; I've taught some things, and I've learned some things by participating on this bbs.

love, Eden

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FOUND IN HIM asked you : "Are you assuming that I don't know the Lord personally?"

It seems to me that anyone would ask you the same question and now you have added all the churches to your list.

Did God turn all this over to you and your arsenal?

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Michael wrote:
I guess if you don't get Paul, you will not get me.

I want you to know Michael that I indeed do understand Paul in his writings. There is a difference between you and Paul-- Paul was called and inspired by God Himself to write 2/3 of the new testament. It is written so that even uneducated can understand.

Michael writes:
All that I can ever say to someone who is insulted, is what Kathryn Kuhlman gave in a sermon, "Dig deeper!"

I am not insulted by your words, at least thus far. I think we need to speak things in humility tho.

Michael wrote:
And I say it over and over, yet people still don't get it. If one reads the word the way it is written, it will change him, or her.

Please don't assume that we don't read the bible the way that it is written or that no one here is not changed by the word or that we "don't get it"

Michael wrote:
No, I am not delusional. I am in a spiritual warfare. Humbled and blessed am I to be found in this position. And I do not elevate myself.

Who are you in warfare with here on this site?

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Remember that God chooses the base things to confound the wise. And I am pretty base, although it may sound like bragging through written form. But the devil really doesn't want you to get it, because he is really confusing you.

Remember that we had a discussion on Creflo Dollar, and I said that I heard him preach on rest, but I didn't recognize what he was saying to be the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? There are false prophets out there. And I don't mean this guy is not a brother of mine. I mean he is delivering the wrong interpretation. You may wish to fight over it, and I am reconciled to that. But it is my humble hope that somewhere, in something I say your conscience will be pricked. For I tell you no lie. There is blessing beyond comprehension in Christ our Lord.

And that is not to insult you as though you do not know Him. All I can tell you is that santcification is through faith. And it will humble you to the soles of Jesus' feet, though others will hear you as boasting.

Oh, and forgive me for not recognizing your working with me. Communication is a funny thing. A lot of misses are to be expected before one gets to know another. God Bless! A-men!

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quote:
Are you assuming that I don't know The Lord personally?

Not at all. [Confused] [Smile] I guess if you don't get Paul, you will not get me. (Bluefrog'll love that one!) All that I can ever say to someone who is insulted, is what Kathryn Kuhlman gave in a sermon, "Dig deeper!" But another favorite is the way it is related by Charles Trumbull. I will have to paraphrase, but he related that he went to a victory conference. He states that the guy was unfolding Christ in a way that he hadn't known. And if the guy teaching was correct, then he, Trumbull, was wrong. But he had this problem. He questioned, as one who was a syndicated columnist for the "Sunday School Times," and teacher, how anyone could have a better knowledge of Christ than he. Then he confessed that what was happening with this was that these thoughts were what his 'sin stunted heart' limited him to. He said it better. But the jist was that he was hearing a calling into a deeper and more passionate relationship than he knew, but was too full of himself to admit could exist.

And I say it over and over, yet people still don't get it. If one reads the word the way it is written, it will change him, or her. Yet what happens is it is rationalized. In fact, pick a church, any church, and what they will teach there is a rationalized version of scripture. For their carnal mind stands in the way of understanding. And believe it, there is plenty in the Bible to back me up here.

But to address your concern about fellowship, chuches will not have me. I am too religious. Someone else you may want to check out is Chip Davis. He has a web site called "The School of Christ dot org."

Watchman Nee also espouses the same message. And there are others. But there is something in the message, but people do not hear it. They hear all sorts of other things which they must 'do', and miss the gist. [Frown]

But, praise God, when the carpet is pulled out from under some in the years to come, these, with nothing left to stand on, will get it.

[Bible] So bluefrog [happyhappy] you kill me.
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Do you really believe that you and you alone are the or one of the choice few chosen and blessed with the knowledge of the Word of God ?

I have an arsenal that will not quit. Remember the verse, "No one goes out to fight a war without first considering the cost?" So dare I say something that will be challenged without considerable backing on my side? Remember that I am shy. [happyhappy] (God love you my friend!) No, I am not delusional. I am in a spiritual warfare. Humbled and blessed am I to be found in this position. And I do not elevate myself. That is a trick of the devil to distract from HIS glory. For I preach Christ, and Him crucified. And the only thing I seek is to direct attention to Him. That cannot be faulted. So sorry you see me elevating myself, rather than Christ.

[happyhappy] YOu kill me! [youpi]

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MICHAEL....Mannnn, you really do need a vacation.

I don't recall ever seeing or hearing a person as into himself as you are. I tried to go along with you and sharing with you but what are you trying to prove ?

Do you really believe that you and you alone are the or one of the choice few chosen and blessed with the knowledge of the Word of God ?

Please be careful. I think I am starting to get it. Your long build up has been to say to us that the Lord is so into you that you speak as or for Him to us the lost.

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Michael writes:
[/QUOTE] You are under a carnal assumption here.

again accusations?...

Michael writes:
In fact, it is to this effect, if I may. God's people are in a scrawny pasture. HE has sent some to proclaim where the greener pasture is, with clear, undeniable scriptural verification, but they stubbornly resist.

Are you the only one sent? Are you sent to straighten out HIS people? Be careful.
My Lord is limitless in leading and perfect in feeding HIS flock

Michael writes:
Know Him, and you will know yourself.

Are you assuming that I don't know The Lord personally?

God's people don't accuse one another, proclaim that they are above a brother or sister, or limit God in HIS ability to govern HIS people....

What are you hoping to gain? to win an argument? to start a quarrel?

You say that you know Him, But I've never met anyone that knew him and lifted up themselves like you are doing.

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He is glorified in unity of His believers and you can be assured that if you are getting opposition from His people it is more likely correction from Him rather than persecution or justification for yourself.

It is not so, dearest. You are under a carnal assumption here. In fact, it is to this effect, if I may. God's people are in a scrawny pasture. HE has sent some to proclaim where the greener pasture is, with clear, undeniable scriptural verification, but they stubbornly resist.

Know Him, and you will know yourself.

And if what you say is true, what of Paul. He languished in a Prision for years, with little fellowship. But it was there he found the revelation which he espoused. But thanks for your concern.

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God has not called any of His people to be a lone ranger...rather He establishes His truth in the presence or/ in the company of two or more of His people.

He is glorified in unity of His believers and you can be assured that if you are getting opposition from His people it is more likely correction from Him rather than persecution or justification for yourself.

He is glorified when we decrease and He increases. In other words...when we claim we are nothing and have nothing BUT Him.

I don't believe that there is anyone here that is here but to see Jesus glorified. That happens when we no longer seek or claim justification for ourselves.

We can type scriptures all day long and debate over their meaning but it's MORE beneficial to look at ourselves in light of them and realize that we are NOTHING without Him.

Paul had a purpose. He was a chosen vessel for The Most High.

I am a woman that has been redeemed by Jesus. I was lost in sin and about to take my own life! Jesus stepped in and took me by the hand. He showed me that He gave His life for me that I might live...HE gets ALL the glory for what He has done in my life. I can say that I know the scriptures well for I have chewed on them for 20 years BUT I will tell you that my knowledge is NOTHING compared to Jesus. I have been baptized by the Holy Spirit with fire BUT I am NOTHING without Jesus. I delight in the simplicity of the gospel...it is the power of God. How about you?

What is your story? Can I please hear how He has saved you? Will you tell me your story of salvation? Tell me how His blood has covered your life? Please tell me your personal experience with The Lord Jesus Christ.

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1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Well, it sounds funny. It is a funny thing to say. Think about it: Be ye followers or me, even as I also am of Christ? (1Cor 11:1) Why say it that way? What is he really saying? He is saying, "I recognize that you are of Christ, as you recognize that I am of Christ, but follow my understanding." In other words, "I recognize that you are of Christ, even as you recognize that I am of Christ, but don't go that way. The path you are following is not fruitful. Your concept needs tweeking."

Yes indeed, that was what Paul was all about. And did people resent him? You bet your bippy. For they lusted to 'envy' that he would lord himself over them. But was he? There is something wrong when people will not receive instruction, who being resentful of any advice, will backbite, and rebel. But the judgment of God is upon them, even as there were those who were slain in the wilderness.

But the word is read with blinders on, just as Paul relates that Israel reads with blinders on. And all I am saying is that if one reads the word 'the way it is written', it will change him (from glory to glory).

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Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even unto the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the [misplaced] thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.


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