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mohawk
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Oh no problem, Yul. May God bless you.
All the remarks this thread has attracted are intelligent and interesting, and that's what I had hoped for. I was just concerned that I may have offended someone because I had failed to state my original point well enough. [Smile]

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quote:
Perhaps I will clarify my statements just a bit. Way back then I should have stated that I have viewed these things and do not condemn them outright. I thought parts of "Wedding Crashers" was hilarious, and in some ways, an accurate satire of today's society. I even stated that I am a science fiction and comic book fan from way back. I am perfectly capable of accepting entertainment for what it is--and having an imagination is not a sin. I myself write screenplays (including a few horror plots), and I'm aware of all the various genres and formulas that are consistently popular.

I think I was simply trying to cast light on a few more subtle factors present in today's pop culture--some can be fully interpretted as the trivialization of things that are sacred. Having a mature, realistic view of things does give us permission to "lighten up," but does not excuse us from letting go completely of our diligence. For example, I genuinely laughed at the humor of "Wedding Crashers," but at some time during the experience, my heart reminded me this was not permission to stop respecting the institution of matrimony.

I have seen the Harry Potter movies, and found them quite entertaining, and accepted the playful portrayal of magic the same way I've witnessed it portrayed in the fairy tales of my own childhood, like say, in "Snow White," etc. But... I was also aware of my own awareness... that is to say, I was aware that The Lord has given me insight into all the faces of anti-christ--and sometimes it is a mask of playfulness--and knew to keep my mind clear and sharp, as He has commanded us.

As to Harry Potter, I am also aware that this series of books has caused a rebirth of sorts in children all over the world to rediscover books, and the joy of reading... and one of the books they may eventually rediscover as a result is The Holy Bible. I applaud this. I will always be in favor of learning in any form--better than the million ways we've given children to rot their minds with our current self-gratified media culture.

Greeting Brother Mohawk,
well said, I think I might of jumped the gun on my post, sorry about that.

Your brother in Christ,
Yul

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Perhaps I will clarify my statements just a bit. Way back then I should have stated that I have viewed these things and do not condemn them outright. I thought parts of "Wedding Crashers" was hilarious, and in some ways, an accurate satire of today's society. I even stated that I am a science fiction and comic book fan from way back. I am perfectly capable of accepting entertainment for what it is--and having an imagination is not a sin. I myself write screenplays (including a few horror plots), and I'm aware of all the various genres and formulas that are consistently popular.

I think I was simply trying to cast light on a few more subtle factors present in today's pop culture--some can be fully interpretted as the trivialization of things that are sacred. Having a mature, realistic view of things does give us permission to "lighten up," but does not excuse us from letting go completely of our diligence. For example, I genuinely laughed at the humor of "Wedding Crashers," but at some time during the experience, my heart reminded me this was not permission to stop respecting the institution of matrimony.

I have seen the Harry Potter movies, and found them quite entertaining, and accepted the playful portrayal of magic the same way I've witnessed it portrayed in the fairy tales of my own childhood, like say, in "Snow White," etc. But... I was also aware of my own awareness... that is to say, I was aware that The Lord has given me insight into all the faces of anti-christ--and sometimes it is a mask of playfulness--and knew to keep my mind clear and sharp, as He has commanded us.

As to Harry Potter, I am also aware that this series of books has caused a rebirth of sorts in children all over the world to rediscover books, and the joy of reading... and one of the books they may eventually rediscover as a result is The Holy Bible. I applaud this. I will always be in favor of learning in any form--better than the million ways we've given children to rot their minds with our current self-gratified media culture.

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While Chesterton - a convert to Roman Catholicism, had some good thoughts, we should view his comments as part of the whole and then evaluate his comments. While we are not to be tolerance of some things that are clearly evil, we are commanded in Scripture to be tolerant of the views of those that are weaker in the faith. See Romans 14. [Roll Eyes]

And that is the way I view those that condemn such books as the Harry Potter series - something that may become 'Christian classics' some day on the same shelf as CS Lewis' books. [clap2]

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quote:
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its just a show
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"Tolerance is a virtue of a man without convictions" - G.K. Chesterton

Yes, I guess you can say that quote does apply to me. I relate tolerance to choice, as a Christian, one of the gifts that our Father gave us is choice. I fear the day Christianity becomes the official state religion of any country.

There is always something on TV shows and movies that might be disturbing to Christians. Why stop there? How about cars and the exhaust fumes that destroy God’s creation? How about diapers that takes thousands of years to decompose? How about the clothes we wear, that was created in sweatshops in Asia? Everything in our lives can be associated with some kind of sin. Even Mass. Puritans living an old ways are exposed to or associated with some sort of sin.

If we look for negatives we’ll find it, if we look for positives we’ll find it as well.

It’s my opinion that most Christians are more like Jonah and less like our teacher Christ. All we really have to do is follow the teaching of Christ and we can’t go wrong. Love the Father, love each other and because of this love, deliver the Great Commission.

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quote:
Originally posted by din_na2004:
its just a show

"Tolerance is a virtue of a man without convictions" - G.K. Chesterton

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I think we are being a little too crazy here. Harry Potter, Buffy, charmed, Angel, wedding crashers and everything else could be seen as going against God. How about Friends? It was a very popular show that had topics concerning premarital sex all the time. How about Cheers? The same thing. How about Gillians Island? I think every boy had naughty thoughts about Ginger when growing up.

My point is, its just a show and maybe we shouldn't drive ourselves crazy wondering where the enemy might attack us. As Christians we should allow the Armor of God to protect us and not worry so much about things like this.

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QUOTE: <Am I the only one seeing the institution of marriage being more and more trivialized? The other trend I see more of is the act of making the clergy into unwitted fallguys. None of this is new, of course. Movies have always satirized all areas of life--but are we now straying from exploring life issues through satire to out-and-out mocking them in the name of some new "hip" enlightenment?>>


I don't understand..the movie wedding crashers is just poking fun at people who crash weddings. Respectfully, I understand that no one should go into someone's celebration of marriage like that..but the movie does have a huge romantic undertone. I just feel like if we take these types of movies too seriously, we won't be able to really enjoy what the media calls "entertainment."


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With that concept wicca is acceptable, you can find some "good" (Luk 18:19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.)in it, the same with JWs and mormons and even islam.

You can find some good is a serial killer if you look hard enough.

You can look real hard and long at a porn movie and find some good


Stop trying to justify satisfying the flesh.

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ok well there are some good things that come out of harry poter also. just like buffy. ok there are alot if christian things in harry potter weather you like it or not and most ppl usually dont see them but i will tell you some. hogwarts the school has 4 diffrent houses.
ok there is gryfindore, hufflpuff, ravenclaw, slytherian. Harry and his friends are sent to gryfindore wich is a half eagle have lion beast and a lion symbolizes jesus. Harrys enem wich is
a snake symbolsizes the devil.

So there is something things in harry potter that are good but it does teach of witch craft and satanic things. but its just show that good things can come from bad.

there is a couple more thigns in those books but i cant remeber them all but that is one.
i get the books to try and find the hidden things like that.

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www.ChristianInsights.com currently has an article on Harry Potter titled: God - and Sorcery?

BTW, there is a free download of a monthly newsletter at the site as well:

http://christianinsights.com/newsletter_august05.pdf

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Being born again believers in Jesus Christ we are not to have anything at all to do with any sort of book such as the Harry Potter series that deals with witchcraft and sorcery because in doing so that opens the door to give satan a foothold - something we must never do at all.

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There is always someone out there that wants to tell you how to live your life.

Colosians 2:20-23 If you have died with Christ to the world’s way of doing things, why do you let others tell you how to live? It’s as though you were still under the world’s influence. People will tell you, "Don’t handle this! Don’t taste or touch that! [do not read that book] " All of these things deal with objects that are only used up anyway.These things look like wisdom with their self–imposed worship, false humility, and harsh treatment of the body. But they have no value for holding back the constant desires of your corrupt nature.

Usually the book can be purchased at much less expense at either Sam's Club or Costco when it has been on the shelf for about 2 or 3 weeks.
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When the price drops down to around $12 I am going to buy and read the latest Harry Potter books and simply laugh at those that are terribly afraid that they will fall into witchcraft or angry the 'big bully in the sky' (their kind of god) if they read Harry Potter books.

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People that believe 'Harry Potter and the Christian Faith are not compatible' and want to avoid anything that might be considered incompatible with the Christian faith, need to find a cave someplace to live in. Perhaps a cloister community. At least that was the view of the monks back in the 4th and 5th century.

When the price drops down to around $12 I am going to buy and read the latest Harry Potter books and simply laugh at those that are terribly afraid that they will fall into witchcraft or angry the 'big bully in the sky' (their kind of god) if they read Harry Potter books.

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I believe shows/movies like Batman and Bewitched are fluff compared to movies and books concerning Harry Potter. They really are rooted in satanic withcraft, sorcery, enchanters and necromancy.

About a year ago J.K. Rowling said that each new book was going to become progressively more deeply dark and sinister. I believe she has one last book that she is working on.

Here is a quote I found regarding the movie title The Prisoner of Azkaban -
"Yeah, we went on Friday night to the premiere. It was very different from the previous two movies in the Harry Potter series. The movie started out funny, but it quickly went spooky and sinister. It was darker, scarier with the attacking werewolf, axing of the hippogryph, the dementors sucking out souls, and the "grim", a scary looking dog/wolf with flashing eyes. The movie was quite different from the book. There were alot of children there, and it probably scared the pants off most of them. I wouldn't recommend it for young children."

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Harry Potter and the Christian Faith are not compatible

neither is

Buffy

Lion the Witch and the wardrobe

Star Wars

Lord of the Rings

any of that other kinds of things

Easter

Halloween

Christmas

you can say what you will but, one day you will know I am right

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I've been a Big buffy fan and have friends who are Christians who love the show too.


Willow being addicted to magic and turning to dark magic could scare peopel form magics and make them reconsider doing them. Buffy sleeping iwth Angel could make people think about waiting for sex too The show definately isn't for children. But, it has life lessons in it too like when her mom had cancer. And, Spie going form a vampire out to kill people, espeically Buffy to finally going on a quest for a soul was a phenomenal story. It shows that even those far from knowing God and deep into occult or things like rape or murder, even they can see and find the Lord and turn good from bad.


I odn't relaly watch Charmed. But, there was Sabrina the Teenage Witch as well.


But, something I"ve been wondering about: the tooth fairy. doesn't it seem kinda pagan or wican or something magical? A fairy who give you money for your teeth.


Its not so much Harry Potter but society itself going downhill.

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Many of tv series are about supernatural and witch stuff, there is one coming this fall that has that Jeniffer Love girl, there is Smallville (is that the name?). Buffy, Teenager witch...the list goes one. BTW, check it out what is on "N", the channel that starts after 3pm-pt , a show called Degrassi and the other one called 'We go there' where there are young boys kissing each other. I used to have a friend if college that was a very strict christian, he did not even owned a tv. Well, it makes sense to me now. My kids do not watch tv in october because of the Halloween everything that is on the tv shows.

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Has anyone seen that Charmed series? And what about Buffy the vampire slayer? Those are really bad and they are on public tv!! [mad2]

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With a lot of fuss brewing anew about Harry Potter (the latest book just out, and another movie in the works), i thought I'd draw some focus on a few more subtle, and therefor perhaps more dangerous, slaps to the Christian worldview that are on movie screens right now--never mind in the future. These are just some random thoughts, and all responses are appreciated. Am I right on, or way off track...

BEWITCHED
This movie takes for granted, and seems to condone, a subculture based on witchcraft--and treats it like a normal "alternate" lifestyle complete with whimsical sympathy for those who "don't get it." I know it's all supposed to be fiction, but...

WEDDING CRASHERS
Am I the only one seeing the institution of marriage being more and more trivialized? The other trend I see more of is the act of making the clergy into unwitted fallguys. None of this is new, of course. Movies have always satirized all areas of life--but are we now straying from exploring life issues through satire to out-and-out mocking them in the name of some new "hip" enlightenment?

SKY HIGH, FANTASTIC FOUR, BATMAN BEGINS, ETC.
This is a tough one for me to face as a person who cherishes good sci-fi, and a comicbook fanatic as a kid myself... It appears to me that we are more and more trivializing such things as the sacred diety of our Lord by obsessing and in effect "worshipping" fictional characters with superhuman powers. Harry Potter fits in this category, but it isn't confined to him by any means. I remember about 10 years back when DC Comics killed Superman in one storyline just so they could cash in on raising him from the dead. I still feel like the only person who saw Christ being mocked on a subliminal, grand pop-culture scale. I wonder how many secular-side kids were colored by that into tossing aside the Bible as just another "story."

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