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Chris: I guess you do not know about the Treaty of Rome that was signed in 1957 and will be replaced by the final constitution of the EU in July of 2004?

The final world empire of Nebuchadnezzar's statute, was an empire in 2 phases... one of Iron and then changing into Iron and clay.

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The Treaty of Rome... isn't that where they've divided the world into 10 sections? Hummm.... I was looking for a link to that earlier today but couldn't find it.

Yep, the Iron and Clay part of that statue appears to be here now and the Rock (Yeshua) will utterly destroy it with his second coming!

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Psalm 119:104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

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• 1. Daniel 7:8. This power comes up "among them." So now we have it located geographically. The other 10 horns were in Western Europe. So if it comes up "among them" it would have to be a little kingdom that comes up somewhere in Western Europe.
• 2. If it came up among them it had to come after the year 476 A.D., because 10 kingdoms were not there till 476 A.D. After Rome, the fourth beast fell.
• 3. It would be a "little horn" verse 8 or a "little kingdom." Not a big empire like the others, but a little one.
• 4. Daniel 7:8. "It uproots three kingdoms." We already established that the Ostrogoths, Vandals, and Heruli were these three kingdoms.
• 5. Daniel 7:8 (last part). It has a man at its head and this man speaks for it. Unlike the other horns.
• 6. Daniel 7:24. It was "diverse" or different. How? He would not only be a government like the others, but different from any system ever before.
• 7. Daniel 7:25. It would speak "great words" or "blasphemy." Revelation 13:5 says "great words and blasphemy." Let's get two Bible definitions of blasphemy. John 10:31-33 says blasphemy is when a man claims to be God. Mark 2:5-7 says blasphemy is when a man claims to have the power to forgive sins. So the "man" at the head of this kingdom would do this.
• 8. Daniel 7:25. He would "wear out the saints." This power would fight against God, against God's people, and be a persecuting power. God's people would be martyred and slain by him.
• 9. Daniel 7:25. He would "think to change times and laws." This power would think and try to do away with God's holy times and laws. That can't be done, but this power would "think to" and try to change them.
• 10. Daniel 7:25 tells us how long it would rule. It would rule for a "time, times, and dividing of time." Now that's a prophetic term. The Bible tells how long it is though. Compare Revelation 12:14 and 12:6 and it equals 1260 days. That means time is one year, times is two years and the dividing of time is a half a year, the total is three and a half years. How many days are in three and a half years using the Bible calendar of 30 days to a month? Twelve hundred and sixty days.Now here's another key of prophecy. Remember in prophecy we are dealing with symbolisms. A "day" is also symbolic. It is symbolic of a year (Ezekiel 4:6, Numbers 14:34). Whenever God spoke prophetically as in these texts, the day for a year principle was followed. This is only in prophetic Scripture. So this power will rule 1260 days or years.

• 1,2. It "came up among" the other 10 horns or kingdoms, after 476 A.D. There is only one "little" kingdom that fits this description and that's the Vatican City.
• 3. It's still to this day a "little kingdom." The Vatican is only 109 acres in size, but it is a powerful kingdom and the wealthiest kingdom in the world. No other power fits this description.
• 4. It uproots three kingdoms. Clearly documented in history is the eradication of the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths by the armies of Papal Rome. The last to go were the Ostrogoths in 538 A.D. The same year, Roman Emperor Justinian gave the Bishop of Rome authority over the kingdom.
• 5. There would be "A man at its head.' To this day the Vatican City is the only kingdom that has always had a visible man at its head- the Pope.
• 6. "It would be different." All the preceding kingdoms had been simple governments set up in normal political manners. Papal Rome, however, was and still is unique and different because it was a church that ruled. Policies were dictated by the Bishops and Popes.
• 7. It "spake great words and blasphemy." The Bible definition of blasphemy is composed of two things. 1. A man claiming to be God. 2. A man claiming to have power to forgive sins. There is only one power today that fits that description. The Papal power. Let's get documented proof of this from the pages of Catholic books. Ferraris's Ecclesiastical Dictionary under The Pope says: "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a man, but as it were, God, and the Vicar of God. The Pope is called "Most Holy" because he is rightfully presumed to be such. The Pope alone is deservedly called by the name "Most Holy" because he alone is the Vicar of Christ, who is the fountain and source and fullness of all holiness. He is likewise the divine Monarch and supreme Emperor, the King of Kings. Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions. Moreover the superiority, and the power of the Roman Pontiff, but by no means pertain only to heavenly things, to earthly things, and to things under the earth, but are even over angels, of whom he is greater. So that if it were possible that angels might err in faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope. The Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief kings of kings, having plenitude of power."
• 8. "He would war against God's people and persecute them.' Although this is now past, all people of the earth are aware of the millions of martyrs put to death during the Dark Ages by the Papal armies. The most conservative estimates are 50 million men and women who were put to death. One only needs to read the pages of hundreds of history books available to document this. Pope Innocent III, 1198-1216 was responsible for thousands of martyrs. The Spanish Inquisition, the Massacre of St. Bartholomew, and the history of the Waldenses are a few examples. We do not cite this for the purpose of casting reflection, these things are past, however, we must discuss them to see the fulfilment of prophecy.
• 9. "He would think to change times and laws." In a future lesson we will deal with the "times," but what about "laws"? Again let's quote from the Catholic Dictionary article under The Pope. "The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, change, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth with most ample power of binding and loosing his sheep."
• 10. It would rule 1260 years. This is a most dramatic prophecy! Beginning in 538 A.D., Papal Rome destroyed the Ostrogoths. Emporer Justinian gave the kingdom over to the Bishop of Rome that year. Add 1260 years to that and you come to 1798. The year of the French Revolution. In 1798 Napolean's armies overthrew the Papal power, confiscated all the property of the kingdom, declared a republic, and took the Pope off the throne where he died in exile. Exactly 1260 years as prophesied!

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I've often pondered the being who would be thought dead from a head wound and then be alive and his connection to the revived Roman Empire.

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I think that elsewhere in the Bible it is stated that the seven heads of the beast are seven Gentile kingdoms, such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome which shall rule over Israel until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Then there is that other beast which rises out of the sea:

Revelation 13
2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The region ruled over by the Biblical leopard and bear and lion is what in the 7th century of our time became preeminently the Islamic region.

The Islamics were successful against the Christians in the 15th century of our time, until they were beaten back by Charles Martel in southern France.

After that, the Islamics were weakened for centuries, until in this century, nay, in our very own time, they have suddenly risen back up again, as the dragon prepares for his final assault against God's people.

The wound in the head has suddenly healed.

God bless, BORN AGAIN

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Anyone have any other new revealing information on Berlusconi?

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Revealing? Oh yes. He does not likes spaghetti. And since the Antichrist must, according to some, come from a "Reconstituted Roman Empire", I think we have our Anti-pasto man right here. And it is but a very short step from being Anti-pasto to being Anti-christo.

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7: "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.

8: I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words."

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11: "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking;

I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.

12: As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time."

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Daniel's Visions Interpreted,


15: "I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

16: I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things:

17: "Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth.

18: But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.'


19: "Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet;

20: and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell,

namely, that (little) horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.


21: "I was watching; and the same (little) horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them,

22: until the Ancient of Days (Jesus Christ) came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.


23: "Thus he said:


"The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,

And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.

***(This has its ultimate fulfillment in the time of the 7 year-Great Tribulation).


24: The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.


25: He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,

Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,

And shall intend to change times and law.

Then the saints shall be given into his hand

For a time and times and half a time."

***(That's the last 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Great Tribulation).

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9: "And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land.

10: And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them.

11: He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host;

and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary (The Temple) was cast down.

12: Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices;

and he cast truth down to the ground.

He did all this and prospered.


13: Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking,

"How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"

***(That's the Great 7 year Tribulation...which shall be shortened for the elect's sake).


14: And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."

Two-thousand-three-hundred days. That's a wee bit over 6 1/2 years.


[Gabriel Interprets the Vision]


15: "Then it happened, when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning, that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man.

16: And I heard a man's voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, "Gabriel, make this man understand the vision."

17: So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me,

"Understand, son of man, that

the vision refers to the time of the end."


18: Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me, and stood me upright.

19: And he said, "Look, I am making known to you what shall happen

in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be.

20: The ram which you saw, having the two horns--they are the kings of Media and Persia.

21: And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king.

22: As for the broken horn and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation, but not with its power.


23"And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce countenance,


Who understands sinister schemes.


24: His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;

He shall destroy fearfully,

And shall prosper and thrive;

He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.


25: "Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;

And he shall exalt himself in his heart.


He shall destroy many in their prosperity.


He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;

But he shall be broken without human means.


26"And the vision of the evenings and mornings
Which was told is true;
Therefore seal up the vision,

For it refers to many days in the future."

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