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Hi, Just thought I would drop a few lines here.

As I read all the posts on this subject, I can almost feel the hurt,And the anger coming across the page.

I can understand this because I too have at times felt this hurt and anger, But I always pray and ask God to help me keep it from getting down into my heart.

We need to understand a few things here.

First,No party can claim to be the Christian party.

While there may be a " True Christian " in the Democratic party,Certaintly they cannot claim to be a Christian party, The proof is in the pudding.

And the same can be said about the republican party.

Remember this Worlds system is corrupt.And that goes for the political system in America.

While this Nation may have been founded on Biblical principles, Our Nation as a whole no longer opperates on those principles.

This Worlds system is corrupt.

THAT IS WHY God tells the Christian to pray for our leaders. Are you praying for them ?

There are many things wrong with the way this Country opperates, But remember Christ has not set up His Government yet.

As a Christian I cannot vote for anyone,Democrat or republican who is pro-Abortion,or pro-gay marriage. And so on.

As I vote according to Gods Word I do my part in a small way to help keep this Country from being destroyed completly.

I never vote for a person based on the color of skin. or simply because of their political party.

AND WHILE THIS GOVERNMENT IS NOT PERFECT IN ANY SINCE OF THE WORD,wHAT WOULD YOU REPLACE IT WITH.?

Remember Jesus has not returned yet.

And please be careful of that hurt, It can lead to a very serious problem within your own heart.

Be careful of that anger,It can lead to bitternes and hate.

Black,White,Red or Yellow, The Human race needs Jesus Christ.

And when you see all the injustice in this Country, Remember, As a SongWriter of old once said, " Were not home yet "

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't do all we can to right the wrongs, But remember the greatest weapon we have is Prayer, And Faith in Jesus Christ.

God Bless you all, And I love you. Pastor Mann

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No, really the term "Christian Democrat" is commonly used in a number of European countries, and means Christian Democratic (Socialist) - often where there is a State Church situation (Sweden w/ Lutheranism comes to mind) & a Democratic Socialist party - you then have persons who refer to themselves as "Christian Democrats". [Wink]
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Yes, becauseHElives, you said:

Eden, the title "Christian Democrat"? is Itty-Bitty Girl’s phrase.

Eden here:

Yes, my apology, I did not realize I was on page 4 of the Topic.

Eden (over and out)

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The only influence a True child of Yahweh has in this world is the influence that the power of prayer gives him/her as they put their complete trust in Yahweh that all things are allowed by Him and work for our good that are called according to His purpose.

Eden, the title "Christian Democrat"? is Itty-Bitty Girl’s phrase.

This world is not my Kingdom; I am a citizen of another Kingdom, a Kingdom whose builder and maker is Yahweh.

2Ti 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.


I see from scriptures I am to prayer for the leaders…..(no place in scripture do I see that I am to vote)

1 Timothy
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First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone,
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for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity.
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This is good and pleasing to God our savior,
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who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth.
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For there is one God. There is also one mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human,
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who gave himself as ransom for all. This was the testimony at the proper time.
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For this I was appointed preacher and apostle (I am speaking the truth, I am not lying), teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
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It is my wish, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger or argument.
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Similarly, (too,) women should adorn themselves with proper conduct, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes,
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but rather, as befits women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds.
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A woman must receive instruction silently and under complete control.
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I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet.
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For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
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Further, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed.
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But she will be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

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Hey, becauseHElives, why the title "Christian Democrat"?

Did "Christian Republican" not work for you for some reason? Nor, "Christian Independent"? Nor, "Christian Green Party"?

Why, "Christian Democrat"?

Be blessed,
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Hi, HE LIVES. You said:

I can't stand to watch a man run on the "God ticket" Waving the cross as he runs for office and then after he wins acts like he's afraid of the name of the Christ.

Eden here:

Actually I love it when someone runs on the “God ticket”; some may not mention Him that much after they’ve gotten into office, but others have stayed consistent. Better that “God ticket” than that “Allah ticket” and better that “God ticket” than that “Darwin ticket” ANY DAY FOR ME.

Be blessed.
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Hi, becauseHElives. You said:

Nothing will ever be changed in a voting booth!

Eden here:

Actually, each candidate/person is different, so the decisions one candidate/person makes or would make could be considerably different from what an other candidate/person elected to say, president, might make.

So when you say:

Nothing will ever be changed in a voting booth!

Eden here:

That’s not true. Lots of things will be changed by the voting booth.

Be blessed.
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Ok...but concepts such as Republican liberalism, Constitutional Government, globalism, and civil rights have made all that obsolete - more than 200 years ago, to boot.

Would you rather return to the wilderness of the Middle Ages, or join the rest of civilized humanity, in the continued march ahead? The choice is yours. Be yourself, by all means. [Smile]

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quote:
Interesting area - w/ these claims you're apparently referring to the pre-Constitutional (pre-1740 approx), Anglican (Church of England) & Spanish/Portuguese/French (Catholic) - funded & supported, first settlements?? The Virginia company - fur trades- Hudson Bay company, Puritan Congregationalist & early explorers, etc...??
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
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quote:
Originally posted by HE LIVES:
...Americans should repent and turn back to the one that made this country what it was.

...This country was founded on The Lord our God...

Interesting area - w/ these claims you're apparently referring to the pre-Constitutional (pre-1740 approx), Anglican (Church of England) & Spanish/Portuguese/French (Catholic) - funded & supported, first settlements?? The Virginia company - fur trades- Hudson Bay company, Puritan Congregationalist & early explorers, etc...??
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quote:
Are you suggesting Christ should be "secularized" outside of religious organizations somehow?
No, I'm not saying that Christ should become Americanized, I'm saying that Americans should repent and turn back to the one that made this country what it was.

This country has placed it's faith in political parties/men for way too long, and it's taking it's toll on our country.

This country was founded on The Lord our God, and today it's own government will throw Him under the bus for anyone that is offended by His name.

Political correctness is killing this country.

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Well, not really - this website/forum is accessable to anyone with a computer, and as for (literally?) "taking Christ out in the open and showing him around etc etc..." that's kinda hard to work with, other than to say that religious faiths have been divided up into their "own little sections" since the country's founding. [Wink]

Are you suggesting Christ should be "secularized" outside of religious organizations somehow?

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I disagree, The government will allow the people to talk about the Lord in your own little section, but don't bring Him out in the open where others can see.

They like to make people think they have freedom of religion so they can continue to run on the God ticket and get your votes.

Christ is fine as long as you keep Him in your group, or behind the walls of a house of worship, but don't bring Him outside because you might offend the one guy in a hundred that doesn't believe.

I can't stand to watch a man run on the "God ticket" Waving the cross as he runs for office and then after he wins acts like he's afraid of the name of the Christ.

How long will it take Christians to see that they're being used for their votes.

Lord, please help this country.

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Some holiday food for thought:

If the above were true, then website/forums like this would not be allowed to exist. [Wink]

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I can't argue with anything that you said.

This was a country that was founded on the Lord, and now it wants nothing to do with Him. What happens when something looses it's foundation?

It falls.

Your brother in Christ,
Chuck

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Nothing will ever be changed in a voting booth!

Democrat, Republican, Independent or any other political party can not change an individual or a nation, only Yahweh can heal our nation or any other nation.

George Bush is evil as Hitler ever thought about being, but the alternative was no better.

I do not know exactly at what point in time this nation went so wrong, but outside of a Revival of the people that claim the Name of Yeshua/Jesus as Redeemer, our nation has no hope.

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Hi,Interesting post here. May I just say that the answer to the woes of America does not lay in the republican party,nor the Democratic party.

Only Jesus can fix this nation. The World looks to a political party,But the Church looks to Jesus Christ.

The Homosexual agenda,And the death of millians of unborn children cannot be solved by passing laws.

Because laws do not change a persons heart. And mans problem is heart trouble.

Change the heart and you will end abortion. Change the heart and Homosexuality will come to a screeching halt.

The SongWriter said, " What can wash away my sin,Nothing but the Blood of Jesus."

Don't look to any Political Party, Look to Christ and Him Crucified.

There are many unfair laws and practises in America, It will be that way untill Jesus comes.

And we will have many disagreements, But we must always love one another.

Vote Bible,Not Pocketbook. Vote Bible not Political Party.

How can we as Christians support those who are Pro-Choice.? How can we as Christians in good conscience support those who are Pro-gay marriage.

I am afraid we are stuck with voting for the lesser of the two evils.

But I would rather not vote at all than to vote for someone who will further the slaughter of millions of unborn babies.

So I will look for the one who is as close to my Biblical convections as possible. There are some out there,They may be few,But there are some.

And one more thing. When god looks at people, wreather they be Black,White,Brown,Yellow or whatever, All he sees is the Blood of Jesus.

Someone said,and correctly so, The Blood makes everyone color blind.

God bless you all in Jesus Name. Pastor Mann

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You cant talk politics to some people bc they get caught up on the idea that they vote strictly Democrat or Republican. Satan himself could run for president as a Democrat and people would vote for him.

I too vote for the person and not the party. Just seems Republicans, while they may not be perfect or good Christians, dont try to get God removed from everything, dont support abortions or gay marriages.

The democrats promise a better economy but you know what, I m not selling out my beliefs or Gods beliefs for a paycheck. God will provide for me, so I dont and wont compromise so I can make a little more money. My treasures await for me in heaven, the devil can have the ones of this world.

I dont think the gay marriage got approved in any of the 8 states that voted on it, PRAISE GOD.

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The Real Thanks of the Worker

And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord . . .

Everything that God has created is like an orchestra praising Him. “All Thy works shall praise Thee.” In the ear of God everything He created makes exquisite music, and man joined in the paean of praise until he fell, then there came in the frantic discord of sin. The realisation of Redemption brings man by way of the minor note of repentance back into tune with praise again. The angels are only too glad to hear that note, because it blends man into harmony again (see Luke 15:10).

Praising God is the ultimate end and aim of all we go through. “Whoso offereth praise glorifieth Me.” What does it matter whether you are well or ill! whether you have money or none! It is all a matter of indifference, but one thing is not a matter of indifference, and that is that we are pleasing to the ears of God.

Paul had got back again by way of repentance into tune with God (cf. 1 Timothy 1:13), and now he has his base as a worker in thanksgiving to Christ Jesus; his whole life has been brought into perfect relation to God.

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Amen David and Shadow!

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God don't see color and loves us all the same. Because we are all the same. Also I sure don't feel sorry for you if your black because I think black people are just the same as everyone else. We are all the same in God's eyes. I know one thing for a fact. I know a lot of black people and they don't seem to feel sorry for themself. Any one can be oppressed, white people, black people, red people, etc.... it is all what you do with your life. God will bless who ever He wants to. I know a lot of black people that have a lot more then I do, but I don't think it is because they are black but because they have a good attitude and have worked hard.

The thing is not what color you are but whom you serve. Regardless if you are black, white, red, etc..... we ALL will stand before God on judgement day and answer for ONLY what we have done. I am sure He is not going to ask you what color you are. This life is short and we need to stay focused on Jesus. God made us who we are to serve Him and that is all this life is about. Everyone will find this out the day they die if they believe in God or not.

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quote:
Originally posted by freddy05:
Oh David... Do you vote Republican? Because there are plently of things "against the Bible" that they do! But for some odd reason, you seem to ignore those things and focus on abortion and gays. I think your politics are intruding a bit on your religion.

No I don't just vote Republican, I am not Republican or Democrat. I vote for the person that stands the most for what the Bible says. Be it Republican or Democrat. Just happens that the Republicans are not promoting same sex marrage and abortion as must as the Democrats. Don't seem that Republicans are trying to wipe God's name off everything this country use to stand for like IN GOD WE TRUST.

I am not religious but a follower of Jesus Christ. If one is a Christian they will put Jesus Christ first and not themselves. And yes I know Republicans do things that that are not right. So do Pastors and people that claim to be Christians. But that don't change the bible or what Jesus Christ told us to do. We are to keep our eyes on Jesus and not the world. He IS the ONLY one that was perfect and rose from the dead to live again. So if you believe that then you will follow Jesus if not you will follow yourself and stay dead.

I am sure we all do things we don't mean to do, but we are not all leaders. Leaders should be held a LOT more responsible.

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Shadowmaker, you are entitled to your beliefs as I am mine. I believe that God is on my side, and these black hands of mine are clean.
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Oh David... Do you vote Republican? Because there are plently of things "against the Bible" that they do! But for some odd reason, you seem to ignore those things and focus on abortion and gays. I think your politics are intruding a bit on your religion.

Itty-Bitty Girl... continue to support your Christian convictions, I think you have the spirit and are in a position to influence and reach people in the world that "Religious Right" Christians will never be able to reach. We will find out shortly if the supporters of racism and cylclical poverty (many of whom unknowingly or won´t admit) will be finally removed from their monopoly on power in Washington.

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quote:
Originally posted by NLP:
Mark Foley IMMEDIATELY resigned. He is also being investigated on criminal charges as we speak so what more outrage can we have?

No, he didn´t immediately resign, he resigned once the world found out.
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The wrong religion is going to take place, thats all in Gods plan. But that doesnt mean I have to vote for it.
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You re hung up on this thing about being oppressed. Well, thats bull. The govt is really holding you back. [Roll Eyes] You can get an education, get a job, and work as hard as anybody else. And it has nothing to do with the color of your skin. It could have alot to do with your attitude.

Being gay is an abomination to God. The law they are voting on doesnt say they cant be gay, it says they cant receive the benefits of a married couple. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. If you dont vote against it, you are supporting it. I dont care how you try to justify. Youre claiming to be a Christian but you re going to support a law that allows gay couple to marry. AND you see nothing wrong with this?

They are voting on partial birth abortion. This is where they delivery the baby all the way out except for the head, then stick a vacuum in the back of the babies head and **** out its brains. So its deliveried dead but thats not murder. [Roll Eyes] [Mad] They are doing it for stem cell research, so they say. But you can do that with the cord. You see no reason to vote against this?? [Eek!]

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Well isn’t it immoral to oppress people and look the other way from them? Republican policies oppress people and despise the proletarian, which is why I would never ever vote Republican. I would rather vote for the proletarians and speak for the oppressed. I am trying to take a stand for what is right, taking a stand against the racism, classism and fascism of this present government. I feel that we need a change in government.

I am against gay marriage and abortion, but I don’t show that by “voting against it”, I show that by “not living that lifestyle”, because God does not approve of gay marriage or abortion, I won’t do it because it is against my beliefs, that is my God’s Law. There is a place where in the bible where it tells us as Christians “not to sin”, but I can’t see anywhere in the bible where it tells us as Christians to “vote against sin”, I am NOT for passing man's laws against such things depriving people of their rights.

Like I said: I would not get an abortion, I would not marry another woman, or do anything like that, but I support other people’s choices to make their own decision that do not believe as I do. I will NOT try to get laws passed that limit others from their freedom.

I cannot let my religious beliefs interfere with government, because it is at the expense of a person’s freedom. I have the freedom to sin or not to sin; it is my natural born right to choose. But I feel that I have no right to interfere with someone else’s rights or their lifestyle choices.

Just like I would NOT try to get a "no-fornication" law passed, because it limits the freedom of a person.

Just like I would NOT try to get a "no-adultery" law passed, because it limits the freedom of a person.

Roman Catholics claim to be Christian, they are for man’s laws against abortion and gay marriage too, but does that mean they are Christians? I believe that Roman Catholicism is NOT Christianity. Could you imagine what would happen if Roman Catholicism religion was in charge? Could you imagine there being a law telling us to worship “images” of Mary and Jesus?

It is my responsibility as a Christian to preach the gospel to a person, not limit their freedom. That can lead to the persecution of the Christian faith. Can you imagine how it would be if the wrong religion got in charge? Isn’t that what got Apostle Paul persecuted and even jailed? The government would probably be telling us who and who not to pray to. It would be a disaster.

If religion interferes and intrudes on government, the wrong religion might probably take charge and it would be a disaster. That is why there is something called “separation of church and state”, to protect us our religious freedom.

I do not feel guilty at all for believing as I do, I believe that God is on my side in this, and these black hands of mine are clean.

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Regardless of your personal decision on which party to vote for, if you vote or dont vote for a candidate who is voiceing support for gays, abortion, removing God from anything, you are supporting it. I dont care if they are republican, democratic, independent, or the Elmer Fudd party (no offense elmer)....IF they are supporting sin, you shouldnt vote for them, PERIOD.

Sugar coat it, look the other way, pretend your vote doesnt matter, whatever, if you vote for sin, you will be held accountable. IF you dont vote against it you will be held accountable.

If you want some good info on how God feels about this, read Romans Chapter 1.

I havent voiced which party to vote for, I ve voiced which kind of candidate NOT to vote for. So go ahead and vote for the gay supporter, abortion supporter,remove God from everything supporter and when you get your minimum wage increase, I hope the $1 a hr extra that you sold out Gods word for is worth it to you.

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quote:
Originally posted by NLP:
I've grown very weary of this discussion.

Darn! I was hoping you could give some historical reference or evidence where the words "Biblical natural law" (mentioned earlier in this thread) appear in any founding documents!
[Mad] [Frown]

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quote:
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Can you imagine how it would be if the wrong religion got in charge?

Yes I can and that religion is Atheist. They are fighting tooth and nail to limit religion to “your closet” and the Democrats are behind them all the way.....

...just an fyi - but atheism is not a religion, at least not in the "establishment of" sense.

...it's a Theological system of thought, a credo, or philosophy, but not established as a "religion" and courts have ruled as such
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That is why there is something called “separation of church and state”, to protect us.


Where did you get this saying from???? I can tell one thing NO WHERE in neither the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence will you find the words “separation of church and state” but if you do read them and you will find mention of the ‘CREATOR’.

The word "CREATOR" appears nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.

Read the following:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

...This embodies the Constitutional principle given the name "separation of church and state"

Historically, back at that time many of the early colonies/states actually DID have "state churches" and they voted to disestablish, thus giving rise to this wording.

The claim that the words "separation of church and state appear nowhere in the constitution!" is a pointless, meaningless argument.

Look at it this way: the word "bible" nowhere appears in the Bible!!, but by interpretation of the Greek biblios ("book"), it certainly can be said to appear.

Same with the Constitution.

...by interpretation, the principle of church state separation is embodied in the first amendment wording: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" .

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This proves that you are apparently NOT paying attention to what is going on around you or maybe you just don’t care.

Boy scouts are a non-profit, private organization, which was sued by an atheist that insisted their children join w/out having to swear an oath to God and they are continually getting sued by these types of people. So if you don’t find that a direct attack against freedom of religion or right to express it therein: then this conversation is a dead in the water! (FYI: This is what the PETA law is trying to protect)

Attacking our freedom to practice our religion is ALREADY against the law, that is the point that I am trying to make.

The U.S. constitution is the highest and supreme law of the land and NO LAW OR ACT can change that.

That freedom to express our religion is guaranteed to us Christians by the constitution of the United States of America.

If someone were to directly “attack against freedom of religion or right to express it therein”, then that would be against the U.S. constitution, and they would be breaking the law.


I am paying attention to what is going on. And that is how I find it odd that such an act like the “Public Expression of Religion Act” would be passed as if our freedom to express our religion is in jeopardy when it is apparently not.


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Why does it seem you find it hard to believe there is a battle going on against the Christians (even though God says IN HIS WORD that there is and will continue to be) but you so easily believe there is discrimination against race.

I don’t see it that way. I do not doubt any battle; there may be a battle against Christians, but I do believe that separation of church and state protects us Christians.

And I do believe that racial discrimination is going on in today’s decadent society. I don’t even know how or why that was thrown into the equation.


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IF there is no discrimination against MY FAITH then there is no discrimination against YOUR RACE because after all like YOU said; Race is also protected by law from discrimination and those laws are not in jeopardy now are they and they aren’t going anywhere either.

Is that protection against racial discrimination guaranteed to us by the U.S. Constitution? I did not think so.

And how does one equate their faith to one’s race? The sword does not cut both ways, I believe your comparison of religion to race is both illogical and unreasonable.

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So what sense does it make to pass a law like our freedom to express our religion is in jeopardy when it is apparently not?
We are guaranteed that right in the constitution, and it is not going anywhere.

This proves that you are apparently NOT paying attention to what is going on around you or maybe you just don’t care.

Boy scouts are a non-profit, private organization, which was sued by an atheist that insisted their children join w/out having to swear an oath to God and they are continually getting sued by these types of people. So if you don’t find that a direct attack against freedom of religion or right to express it therein: then this conversation is a dead in the water! (FYI: This is what the PETA law is trying to protect)

Why does it seem you find it hard to believe there is NOT a battle going on against the Christians (even though God says IN HIS WORD that there is and will continue to be) but you so easily believe there is discrimination against race. IF there is no discrimination against MY FAITH then there is no discrimination against YOUR RACE because after all like YOU said; Race is also protected by law from discrimination and those laws are not in jeopardy now are they and they aren’t going anywhere either.
The sword cuts both ways!

I've grown very weary of this discussion.

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quote:
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That is why there is something called “separation of church and state”, to protect us.


Where did you get this saying from???? I can tell one thing NO WHERE in neither the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence will you find the words “separation of church and state” but if you do read them and you will find mention of the ‘CREATOR’.

Separation of church and state is a common interpretation of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and it means that the church cannot interfere with the government and the government cannot interfere with the church.

It protects our religious freedom and our abilitly to express it, that is guaranteed in the constitition, the first amendment in fact.

We are guaranteed that right, and it is not going anywhere.

So with that said, what is the point of passing a “Public Expression of Religion Act” when we are already guaranteed that right in the constitution?

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quote:
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How can anyone deny the hypocrisy of the Republican Party? Who is against Mark Foley’s homosexuality? Where is the outrage of the people?
Because UNLIKE Clinton, Mark Foley IMMEDIATELY resigned. He is also being investigated on criminal charges as we speak so what more outrage can we have? In the meantime Clinton had to subpoenaed and then lied to everyone by getting on national TV and saying ‘I did not have relations’ while still sitting in the White House on top of it.

I told you that Clinton and the Democratic Party didn’t talk any of that “morality” talk like the Republican Party is doing. Mark Foley is proof that the Republican Party is not all “religious” as it is cracked up to be. The Democrats are not putting up the “Religious” front like the Republicans are doing.

The Foley scandal is how I come to the conclusion that passing a law against gay marriage is not saying that homosexuality is not OK, because it seems to me that no one cared that Foley was a homosexual.


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I’m sorry, but I cannot even take these kind of questions seriously. How can you ask questions like this? I am truly stumped! [Confused]

I don't see why not; I asked the question because we are guaranteed that right to us in the constitution of the United States of America. It is the first amendment in the Bill Of Rights and our right is not in jeopardy at all. It seems like people just want to believe that our natural born rights are in jeopardy when they are not.

So what sense does it make to pass a law like our freedom to express our religion is in jeopardy when it is apparently not?

We are guaranteed that right in the constitution, and it is not going anywhere.

Amendment I
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”


Source Cited: http://www.billofrights.org/

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How can anyone deny the hypocrisy of the Republican Party? Who is against Mark Foley’s homosexuality? Where is the outrage of the people?
Because UNLIKE Clinton, Mark Foley IMMEDIATELY resigned. He is also being investigated on criminal charges as we speak so what more outrage can we have? In the meantime Clinton had to subpoenaed and then lied to everyone by getting on national TV and saying ‘I did not have relations’ while still sitting in the White House on top of it.


That is why there is something called “separation of church and state”, to protect us.


Where did you get this saying from???? I can tell one thing NO WHERE in neither the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence will you find the words “separation of church and state” but if you do read them and you will find mention of the ‘CREATOR’.


“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”


Sorry I must have missed the word FROM in there.

What is “Public Expression of Religion Act”? What is the point of even casting a vote like that?

I’m sorry, but I cannot even take these kind of questions seriously. How can you ask questions like this? I am truly stumped! [Confused]

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quote:
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Can you imagine how it would be if the wrong religion got in charge?

Yes I can and that religion is Atheist. They are fighting tooth and nail to limit religion to “your closet” and the Democrats are behind them all the way as I have shown you before by giving you the undeniable proof of the votes they cast just 37 days ago.

How can “Atheist” be a religion when they are trying to limit religion? In doing so, they would put restrictions on their own religion.

If religion interferes and intrudes on government, the wrong religion might probably take charge and it would be a disaster. That is why there is something called “separation of church and state”, to protect us.

Roman Catholics claim to be Christian, they are for laws against abortion and gay marriage too, but does that mean they are Christians? Could you imagine what would happen if Roman Catholicism religion was in charge? Could you imagine there being a law telling us to worship “images” of Mary and Jesus?



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Please try to refrain from coming back to me w/the indiscretions of Foley who is NOT the Republican party any more than Clinton’s indiscretions are the Democratic party, nor Ted Haggard the Christian ‘religion’.

Why should Foley be taken out of the equation? Clinton and the Democratic Party didn’t talk any of that “morality” talk like the Republican Party is doing. Mark Foley is proof that the Republican Party is not all “religious” as it is cracked up to be. The Democrats are not putting up the “Religious” front like the Republicans are doing.

How can anyone deny the hypocrisy of the Republican Party? Who is against Mark Foley’s homosexuality? Where is the outrage of the people?


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Originally posted by NLP:

Answer directly what you think about a vote being cast like this that:

218 Republicans said YES and only 6 said NO

Vs.

166 Democrats said NO and only 26 said YES.


If the majority was Democrat this bill WOULD NOT be on its way to the Senate right now, the Democrats would have killed it.


This is not my opinion, but fact. It appears the Democrats (or least they vote that way) that are not interested in keeping your FREEDOM of religion safeguarded, but surely they want to keep your freedom to commit murder safeguarded!

What is “Public Expression of Religion Act”? What is the point of even casting a vote like that?

That is our right is guaranteed to us in the constitution of the United States of America. It is the first amendment in the Bill Of Rights and our right is not in jeopardy at all. It seems like people just want to believe that our natural born rights are in jeopardy when they are not.


Amendment I
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”


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quote:
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I do believe what the bible teaches. I am not saying that “it is OK to murder and be gay”, because that is not what I believe. I would not get an abortion, I would not marry another woman, or do anything like that, but I support other people’s choices to make their own decision that do not believe as I do.

I can’t approve of government telling someone what to do with his or her bodies, I can’t. I can’t approve of the government telling someone not to marry someone based on gender, I can’t. All that limits the freedom of a person.

Then you don't believe in the bible. God sure tell's us how to act and that is why he burnt down Sodum and Gomorrah. Guess you don't think God knows best. I don't know what kind of bible you read, but you sure are not reading the same one I am. There is no way you can believe the things you do and say you are a follower of Jesus Christ. Making a God to be who you want Him to be is just plain idolatry. I do pray you come to know the real God of the bible and that is not self, but Jesus Christ.

Show me where it says to support murder (abortion) and gay rights in the bible. Because if you are voting for them and not against them, that means you support it and you don't support what God has told you do it. It is just that simple. That is why we are allow to vote. So we can elect good people in to office. Once all the people decide it is OK to sin at will then we shall be just like Sodum and Gomorrah and your saying that is OK. Well it is not, not because I say it is not, but because God burnt down Sodum and Gomorrah and that means it is not OK.

Don't seem to take a brain surgeon to see that. That is if you believe in God's word the bible. If not then like I said you might as well sin on as the fun will soon be over and it will be hell to pay. You might as well do it if you going to support it because that means you believe it is OK.

For those that do believe that abortion and being gay is OK, as long as they don't claim to be Christians I don't have a problem with them. I just pray one day their eyes will be open to the truth, but they sure want believe in the truth if they never see it in people that claim to be Christians but they don't even believe in the bible.

Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are FEW who find it. - Matthew 7:14 (NKJV)

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Revelation 3:16 (KJV)

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. - Jeremiah 17:5

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Can you imagine how it would be if the wrong religion got in charge?

Yes I can and that religion is Atheist. They are fighting tooth and nail to limit religion to “your closet” and the Democrats are behind them all the way as I have shown you before by giving you the undeniable proof of the votes they cast just 37 days ago.

I am posting it again just in case you missed it.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll480.xml


Please try to refrain from coming back to me w/the indiscretions of Foley who is NOT the Republican party any more than Clinton’s indiscretions are the Democratic party, nor Ted Haggard the Christian ‘religion’.
Answer directly what you think about a vote being cast like this that:

218 Republicans said YES and only 6 said NO

Vs.

166 Democrats said NO and only 26 said YES.

If the majority was Democrat this bill WOULD NOT be on its way to the Senate right now, the Democrats would have killed it.


This is not my opinion, but fact. It appears the Democrats (or least they vote that way) that are not interested in keeping your FREEDOM of religion safeguarded, but surely they want to keep your freedom to commit murder safeguarded! [Eek!]

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No hate in my post, its facts but when facts are stated, racism is blamed.

Facts, what facts? Are your referring to the "fact" about NEW ORLEANS? I told you that I blame the racist media for your statement that lacked compassion. And I even gave you proof that the "fact" was untrue.

And that is the only "fact" that I blamed racism on, NOTHING ELSE.

And yes, I do believe that there was hatred in your post.

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Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
It doesn’t matter what they think, because they give us freedom, freedom to determine our own destinies. And I am a Democrat and I will always be one, and that’s that. You can hate it or love it. Your ignorant post IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM GLAD TO BE A DEMOCRAT.

Itty-Bitty Girl - Rose or who every you are right now. Any more posts like the above and you will be ask to leave this message board.
Yeah. That quote was inappropriate. I’m sorry about that, I just let my emotions get to me on that one. I could have worded that differently.


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If you don't believe in what the bible teaches then you are not a Christian. You can not support same sex marriage, abortion (murder) and say you are a Christian. Period. This is not about what you think, it is about what the bible says. If you don't believe in the word of God that is up to you and no one is trying to make you. The question was can you be a Christian and a Democrat. If you want to be a Democrat that is fine, but trying to make it sound like it is OK to murder and be gay is freedom now that is sick!!!

Why would you want to be a Christian if you don't believe what the bible teaches?

You need to decide if you are a follower of Jesus Christ and if you are then you need to believe in what He teaches, not just what you want to believe. Things that benefit you. That is called creating a God for yourself. Idolatry

No one says anyone has to be a Christian, but if you are be one and stand up for what is right, if not don't try to label you self one. No one is trying to make people be Christians.

I do believe what the bible teaches. I am not saying that “it is OK to murder and be gay”, because that is not what I believe. I would not get an abortion, I would not marry another woman, or do anything like that, but I support other people’s choices to make their own decision that do not believe as I do.

I can’t approve of government telling someone what to do with his or her bodies, I can’t. I can’t approve of the government telling someone not to marry someone based on gender, I can’t. All that limits the freedom of a person.

Can you imagine how it would be if the wrong religion got in charge? The government would probably be telling us who and who not to pray to. It would be a disaster.


quote:
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If you believe in Jesus act like it, IF NOT then don't claim to. At lease atheist don't claim to be Christian.

I am so shocked by people that play the Christian game and when it comes to living like the bible says, they do as they please. Either do it or don't!!! People need to quit faking it and either get saved or be what they are.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Revelation 3:16 (KJV)

This is not a game, we will either spend eternity in hell or heaven and on our last day we will wish we would have paid more attention to what our Lord Jesus Christ say and less to what we want.

I agree with all of this, David.


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Take a stand, freedom is not being able to do anything you want and get away with it. Freedom is knowing Jesus Christ the one who sets us free.

I know, and I am trying to take a stand for what is right, taking a stand against the racism, classism and fascism of this present government. I know that I am free in Jesus, but I don’t want the black people and other oppressed people to be stuck in oppression at the hands of this decadent government.

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Just an idea.

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quote:
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Your people? Now whose being racist.

Are you implying that I am a racist?
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In an end note: while you continue to bash people like myself and others who ARE the ones paying and supporting the TRULY oppressed ALONG w/the ‘false oppressed’. Why don’t you tell us what you are doing to help them, where has you paycheck gone? Into your own pocket or into the pocket of others? Are you really helping the oppressed or just ‘talking’ about it?

I am not bashing you or anyone else. All that I am doing is disagreeing with the policies of this Government. And I am unemployed, so I don’t have a paycheck. The Government has the resources to END THE OPPRESSION of the oppressed and not just "help" them, so all that I can do now is pray for a change in government and vote Democrat.
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quote:
Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
It doesn’t matter what they think, because they give us freedom, freedom to determine our own destinies. And I am a Democrat and I will always be one, and that’s that. You can hate it or love it. Your ignorant post IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM GLAD TO BE A DEMOCRAT.

Itty-Bitty Girl - Rose or who every you are right now. Any more posts like the above and you will be ask to leave this message board. This is a Christian message board, meaning we believe in What the Bible teaches, not what you think is OK.

I agree with the below:

Most Democrats are liberals. They want God taken off our money, God out of our schools, God out of the court rooms, stem cell (which they ll use partial aborted babies to do this), believe a man and woman dont have to be married but should be treated as married couples, gays have the right to marry, life doesnt begin at conception, and that if you cant or wont work the govt should take care of you. And we wonder why this world is in such a mess.

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If you don't believe in what the bible teaches then you are not a Christian. You can not support same sex marriage, abortion (murder) and say you are a Christian. Period. This is not about what you think, it is about what the bible says. If you don't believe in the word of God that is up to you and no one is trying to make you. The question was can you be a Christian and a Democrat. If you want to be a Democrat that is fine, but trying to make it sound like it is OK to murder and be gay is freedom now that is sick!!!

Why would you want to be a Christian if you don't believe what the bible teaches?

You need to decide if you are a follower of Jesus Christ and if you are then you need to believe in what He teaches, not just what you want to believe. Things that benefit you. That is called creating a God for yourself. Idolatry

No one says anyone has to be a Christian, but if you are be one and stand up for what is right, if not don't try to label you self one. No one is trying to make people be Christians.

I know that when I was a hell raising partier I did not try to act like I was not one. If you believe in Jesus act like it, IF NOT then don't claim to. At lease atheist don't claim to be Christian.

I am so shocked by people that play the Christian game and when it comes to living like the bible says, they do as they please. Either do it or don't!!! People need to quit faking it and either get saved or be what they are.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Revelation 3:16 (KJV)

This is not a game, we will either spend eternity in hell or heaven and on our last day we will wish we would have paid more attention to what our Lord Jesus Christ say and less to what we want.

Take a stand, freedom is not being able to do anything you want and get away with it. Freedom is knowing Jesus Christ the one who sets us free.

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John 8:31 ¶ Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.


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I know I am free in God's eyes, but black people and others are not free from this oppressive system and policies of government. There needs to be a change in government.

The word "but" does appear in v.35;
Showing that the Son delivers the servant.

"But" appars again in v.37;
Jesus telling the Jews that they seek to kill him.

But - are you a delivered servant?
OR
But - you seek to kill the WORD of GOD?

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Proverbs 6:2 Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.

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Originally posted by NLP:
Sorry, I haven’t replied sooner, I’m trying to play catch up, but let me respond to your response. I’ll only address things one at a time so it doesn’t get construed into something else. I’m going to try this again, JOE IS LAZY (not disabled) or anything else you keep trying to throw in there. Your completely missing the point so I’m going to try this another way. (These are real people in my life)

I have a brother in law named ‘John’, who worked hard most his life. He’s been a diabetic since the age of six. It has finally taken its toll on his body. He also has developed epileptic, narcolepsy, failing eyesight, and a host of other health issues. He can no longer work, so he lives off social security/disability. Which he has paid into for many years. He receives a whopping $550 a month to live off of. I am his payee so I know this. Now do you think $550 a month is enough to live off of? He also has a 15 year old son (my nephew). He cannot make ends meet without addition help. So guess who gives that help? Not the government….but his family, myself and others. His family picks up the slack instead of griping and complaining about the government and pointing him another direction of government aid. I take my nephew shopping for school clothes, and other things they need that he could never afford on his own, etc. (This is the ‘Steve’) who I said I DO NOT mind help supporting because I in FACT DO help support him (these are not just words, but my feet in action).

I also have a niece named ‘Cindy’ (This is the ‘Joe’). She got financial aid and went to a technical school and got her certificate in medical transcriptions, etc. She does not work, she’s NOT disabled, she loves to get her nails done and sleep till 9 or 10 am. She is truly lazy, “I don’t like this boss, so I quit, I already worked 5 days, I’m not going to work a 6th, so I quit” I could go on, on, about her shenanigans/excuses (the devil has supplied her with a never ending pit of them). In the end she gets government aid (food stamps, medical) for being…..lazy. She has a boyfriend who WILL remain her boyfriend because she can’t get the same benefits if she marries him. So the government is ‘rewarding’ for, for her lack of moral righteousness, etc. Are you getting this??
In 2004 she worked for 3 months (she hated her job so she quit and lived off her boyfriend and the government); anyway she made $3k that year and received a check from the government for $1k when she filed her taxes (this is what shadowmaker is talking about). Receiving government money (which comes from us) for money she did even ATTEMPT being an able body person to earn. For every 10 people who get aid only 2 truly deserve it, the rest are just what is called ‘milking the system’. Why do you think ‘welfare reform’ is such an issue, because the government is finally opening its eyes to people like my niece.

Now you can post till the cows come home about how ‘oppressed’ you think people like my niece are, but the reality of it is they are NOT oppressed and you have to stop placing them under the false banner of ‘oppression’. Do what shadowmaker and I have done, Go out and work your tail off, have the government come in a take half of your earning and give it to my niece in the meantime while YOU YOUSELF are truly helping the ‘oppressed’ ones like my brother in law, then we will see where you stand.

Nobody here is even remotely suggesting that people like my brother in law do not deserve help, but it’s people like my niece that do not deserve help that are the ones primarily getting it. So if they stop coddling people like my niece, people like my brother in law could receive more than $550 a month to live off of.

Reread the scripture I post earlier about what the LORD says about people like my niece.
If you want to support a form of government that want to aid everyone equally (which DOES include the lazy) then that’s your prerogative, but God doesn’t feel this way and neither do I. If you want to call God a classist and racist then go right ahead. It won’t be the first time man has mocked Him (you can read that in my introduction when I first posted on this site).

In an end note: while you continue to bash people like myself and others who ARE the ones paying and supporting the TRULY oppressed ALONG w/the ‘false oppressed’. Why don’t you tell us what you are doing to help them, where has you paycheck gone? Into your own pocket or into the pocket of others? Are you really helping the oppressed or just ‘talking’ about it?

AMEN!! [clap2]

The person I was referring to worked at Biscuitville for less than half a yr and made roughly $3500 and got back over $5k. How? She has 3 kids. By the time she got thru claiming this and claiming that, bammm she got a big check. Her mothers boyfriend was paying for her to go back to college to better herself. He was allowing her to live rent free in his trailer. He gave her a car to drive and they watched the kids while she went to school. Guess what, she dropped out......oh and shes white.

Married couples are being punished on their taxes for BEING MARRIED!!! We paid in almost $14k in taxes and we get back $1100 and you wonder why I m upset at the person above? So I m punished for busting my tail??? Nobody has given me anything. I ve worked for it. The republicans dont see this as fair and did away with the marriage penalty.

Your people? Now whose being racist.

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Sorry, I haven’t replied sooner, I’m trying to play catch up, but let me respond to your response. I’ll only address things one at a time so it doesn’t get construed into something else. I’m going to try this again, JOE IS LAZY (not disabled) or anything else you keep trying to throw in there. Your completely missing the point so I’m going to try this another way. (These are real people in my life)

I have a brother in law named ‘John’, who worked hard most his life. He’s been a diabetic since the age of six. It has finally taken its toll on his body. He also has developed epileptic, narcolepsy, failing eyesight, and a host of other health issues. He can no longer work, so he lives off social security/disability. Which he has paid into for many years. He receives a whopping $550 a month to live off of. I am his payee so I know this. Now do you think $550 a month is enough to live off of? He also has a 15 year old son (my nephew). He cannot make ends meet without addition help. So guess who gives that help? Not the government….but his family, myself and others. His family picks up the slack instead of griping and complaining about the government and pointing him another direction of government aid. I take my nephew shopping for school clothes, and other things they need that he could never afford on his own, etc. (This is the ‘Steve’) who I said I DO NOT mind help supporting because I in FACT DO help support him (these are not just words, but my feet in action).

I also have a niece named ‘Cindy’ (This is the ‘Joe’). She got financial aid and went to a technical school and got her certificate in medical transcriptions, etc. She does not work, she’s NOT disabled, she loves to get her nails done and sleep till 9 or 10 am. She is truly lazy, “I don’t like this boss, so I quit, I already worked 5 days, I’m not going to work a 6th, so I quit” I could go on, on, about her shenanigans/excuses (the devil has supplied her with a never ending pit of them). In the end she gets government aid (food stamps, medical) for being…..lazy. She has a boyfriend who WILL remain her boyfriend because she can’t get the same benefits if she marries him. So the government is ‘rewarding’ for, for her lack of moral righteousness, etc. Are you getting this??
In 2004 she worked for 3 months (she hated her job so she quit and lived off her boyfriend and the government); anyway she made $3k that year and received a check from the government for $1k when she filed her taxes (this is what shadowmaker is talking about). Receiving government money (which comes from us) for money she did even ATTEMPT being an able body person to earn. For every 10 people who get aid only 2 truly deserve it, the rest are just what is called ‘milking the system’. Why do you think ‘welfare reform’ is such an issue, because the government is finally opening its eyes to people like my niece.

Now you can post till the cows come home about how ‘oppressed’ you think people like my niece are, but the reality of it is they are NOT oppressed and you have to stop placing them under the false banner of ‘oppression’. Do what shadowmaker and I have done, Go out and work your tail off, have the government come in a take half of your earning and give it to my niece in the meantime while YOU YOUSELF are truly helping the ‘oppressed’ ones like my brother in law, then we will see where you stand.

Nobody here is even remotely suggesting that people like my brother in law do not deserve help, but it’s people like my niece that do not deserve help that are the ones primarily getting it. So if they stop coddling people like my niece, people like my brother in law could receive more than $550 a month to live off of.

Reread the scripture I post earlier about what the LORD says about people like my niece.
If you want to support a form of government that want to aid everyone equally (which DOES include the lazy) then that’s your prerogative, but God doesn’t feel this way and neither do I. If you want to call God a classist and racist then go right ahead. It won’t be the first time man has mocked Him (you can read that in my introduction when I first posted on this site).

In an end note: while you continue to bash people like myself and others who ARE the ones paying and supporting the TRULY oppressed ALONG w/the ‘false oppressed’. Why don’t you tell us what you are doing to help them, where has you paycheck gone? Into your own pocket or into the pocket of others? Are you really helping the oppressed or just ‘talking’ about it?

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You have this made it a black and white thing, not a democrat or republican thing.

Minimum wage will force Mcdonalds, walmart, target, cvs, revco, walgreen, etc etc to RAISE prices to cover the extra cost of the minimum wage increase. Biscuits, milk, bread, etc will go up, so there is NO gain for anybody only a loss for everyone else. Even on tv some of the business where talking about laying off people bc they cant afford the extra or raising price to cover it.

No hate in my post, its facts but when facts are stated, racism is blamed. I didnt put a color on welfare for those not being needed. I know of white people on it who are just as capable to work as I am. And I ll tell them the same thing I said in my post. Its not a color thing, believe what you want. The person I was referring to getting 4-5k back in taxes, is WHITE. The people on welfare being capable of working are WHITE. So, no I m NOT group them all together. So yes it does make me mad that they are just as capable to work as I am, yet they sit at home eating steaks, cable tv, etc etc while I bust my **** and struggle to make it.

Honest question here, are you democrat bc you re black or bc you believe what they do? Do you really know what a liberal and conservative is?

I ride the church bus so I see alot in the community. The majority on our buses are black or mexican. Some of those people really do need welfare or disability. Some of them have brand new cars with 22" wheels, fingernails and hair done every week, bling bling, etc etc AND dont even have a job. AND some of them are WHITE.

So,you dont know what my thoughts are or if I m being racist.

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quote:
Originally posted by shadowmaker:

Most Democrats are liberals. They want God taken off our money, God out of our schools, God out of the court rooms, stem cell (which they ll use partial aborted babies to do this), believe a man and woman dont have to be married but should be treated as married couples, gays have the right to marry, life doesnt begin at conception, and that if you cant or wont work the govt should take care of you. And we wonder why this world is in such a mess.

It doesn’t matter what they think, because they give us freedom, freedom to determine our own destinies. And I am a Democrat and I will always be one, and that’s that. You can hate it or love it. Your ignorant post IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM GLAD TO BE A DEMOCRAT.


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Originally posted by shadowmaker:

I know several people who are too sorry to better themselves who get back $4k to $5k a yr on their tax returns. BUT bc my wife and myself make decent money, we re lucky to get back a $1k and I pay my share of taxes, last yr alone I paid in over $10k, just me not including my wife. We dont make decent money bc of the color of our skin, we make it bc we bust our butts. My wife was working 2 jobs when we met to just make ends meet, instead of taking the easy way out and signing up for welfare. And even though I make good money, I still work odd jobs to make money.

Dont give me that **** about not being able to get a job bc of the color of your skin. VA pays employers to hire minorities. So, who is being discrimnated against?

People are being discriminated against because of the color of their skin in society today. And for you to just deny that is obscene.

And I just hate when people judge people and call them lazy for being victims of racism and discrimination. I cannot pretend that I don’t know what is going on in society. This racist, classist and fascist government needs to be done away with, a new one needs to be put in.

Why are people blaming the oppressed and not the oppressor? Some people have had it harder in life. There are some people who need help from the government because they can't help themselves. The government is responsible for taking care of the American people, AIDING THEM IN THEIR TIME OF NEED.

This government is made up of racist, fascist and classist leaders who delay help to the needy and fails the lowest class citizen. This government denies equal treatment. This oppressive system denies others their freedom from it.


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Originally posted by shadowmaker:

Just like raising the minimum wage will do nothing for those of us making more. Stores will raise prices to cover the wage increase which makes the person making $10 a hr being able to buy less.

And I am for a raise in minimum wage; the proletarians need more money to feed their families with.


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Originally posted by shadowmaker:

You refer to people being disabled and cant work. Thats a different story but HOW many of those on it really CANT work? They are on welfare and disablity but driving new cars, designer clothes, etc. ???

It looks like you are putting all people who need help and are receiving welfare in ONE CATEGORY, vilifying those in need of help. That is soooooooo Republican. The Republican Party does not care about proletarians. I am soooooo glad that I am a Democrat. And it appears that you have bought right into the lies of the racist classist and fascist media, shadowmaker.


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Originally posted by shadowmaker:

As far as New orleans, give me a break. There were many many videos of those people down there stealing Esclades, shopping carts of expensive clothes and purses, etc etc etc. They were shooting at the rescue teams for no reason. All that stopped when the National Guard arrived and started shooting back. Very few were stealing food and other things to just survive.

I believe the racist media tries to make others feel unsympathetic toward the suffering of blacks by using racial stereotypes and bias reports to degrade and vilify them.

Your statements are very disgusting, ignorant and without compassion, shadowmaker.

I took a snippet of the interview where the New Orleans Mayor, Ray Nagin, blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM:

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NAGIN: I don't know. I don't think so.

But we called for martial law when we realized that the looting was getting out of control. And we redirected all of our police officers back to patrolling the streets. They were dead-tired from saving people, but they worked all night because we thought this thing was going to blow wide open last night. And so we redirected all of our resources, and we hold it under check.

I'm not sure if we can do that another night with the current resources.

And I am telling you right now: They're showing all these reports of people looting and doing all that weird stuff, and they are doing that, but people are desperate and they're trying to find food and water, the majority of them.

Now you got some knuckleheads out there, and they are taking advantage of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and survive.

Source cited: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/


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Originally posted by shadowmaker:

For the record I am a conservative and I think all liberals should pack up their belongings and move to France or Canada.

Well I am what you consider as a liberal and I believe that statement is very hateful and cruel and ungodly.


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Originally posted by shadowmaker:

I hope no one gets mad at me, I usually dont talk politics. I love all ya ll.

No, you don’t. You don’t love me; you don’t love my people or even the least of us, with your hateful and ignorant words. You got your mind made up about all of us already, don’t you?
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