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With the news business long dead, we have propagandists manning the news desks. These political hacks are longing for the days of the Obama presidency. It was eight peaceful years where no one mass murder events took place. To put this work of fiction to bed, someone created a list of events that remind us of the rivers of blood that plagued Obama’s term:
July 23, 2015 — Lafayette, LA — 3 dead, 9 injured
July 16, 2015 — Chattanooga, TN— 5 dead, 3 injured
June 17, 2015 — Charleston, SC— 9 dead
February 10, 2015 — Chapel Hill, NC— 3 dead
May 23, 2014 — University of California, Santa Barbara. — 7 dead (including gunman)
April 2, 2014 — Fort Hood (Second Shooting). — 3 dead, 12 injured
September 16, 2013 — Washington, DC. — 12 dead
December 14, 2012 — Newtown, Conn. — 27 dead (including gunman)
September 27, 2012 — Minneapolis, Minn.— 7 dead (including gunman), 2 injured
August 5, 2012 — Oak Creek, Wis.— 7 dead (including gunman), 4 injured
July 20, 2012 — Aurora, Colo. — 12 dead, 59 injured
May 31, 2012 — Seattle, Wash.— 6 dead
April 2, 2012 — Oakland, Calif. — 7 dead
February 22, 2012 — Norcross, Ga. — 5 dead (including gunman)
October 12, 2011 — Seal Beach, Calif. — 8 dead, 1 injured
January 8, 2011 — Tucson, Ariz. — 6 dead, 14 injured
August 3, 2010 — Manchester, Conn. — 9 dead (including gunman), 2 injured
November 29, 2009 — Parkland, Wash. — 5 dead (including gunman)
November 5, 2009 — Fort Hood, Texas — 13 dead, 30 injured (including gunman)
April 3, 2009 — Binghamton, N.Y. — 14 dead (including gunman), 4 injured
March 29, 2009 — Carthage, N.C. — 8 dead, 3 injured (including gunman)
March 10, 2009 — Geneva County, Ala. — 11 dead (including gunman), 6 injured
The most important list is a constantly updating mass murder list. This record of ever-changing highest death counts is a testament of how crazy our society has become:
1 2017 Las Vegas shooting; 58 killed
2 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting; 49 dead
4 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting; 27 dead
5 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting; 26 dead
6 1991 Luby’s shooting; 23 dead
7 2019 El Paso shooting; 22 killed
8 1984 San Ysidro McDonald’s massacre; 21 murdered
9 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shooting left 17 dead
10 1966 University of Texas tower shooting; 16 killed
There is another mass murder list that is taking place in our major cities. We don’t read reports about these deaths because they occur in the single digits. The city of Chicago during the first week of this month had shootings that left seven people dead and another 52 people wounded. The victims ranged from 5 to 56 years old.
The city’s emergency rooms were so badly stretched to the limit that Mt. Sinai Hospital in Douglas Park was forced to go on bypass for several hours. All wounded were directed to the city’s four other trauma units.
It should be obvious that the reason for the violence is that our society has drifted from biblical moral values. If someone dares to bring up sin as the possible cause, they get shouted down.
When Chicago voters elected Lori Lightfoot as mayor, I was very disappointed that she was a lesbian. I was absolutely mortified that there is not a single Republican among the 12 people running for that office. You would think that after 40 years of failed socialism, some part of the voters would seek an alternative. If California continued having major earthquakes, the current mentality would call for the election of a Satanist for the governorship.
The mass murder cycle cannot continue on forever. Eventually, we are going to reach a point where lawlessness will make people willing to give up their freedom to have some form of security. When we become so blind as to make such a choice, we no longer deserve to have either.
“The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God” (2 Corinthians 4:4).
https://www.raptureready.com/category/nearing-midnight/
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Another recent mass shooting at a garlic fest in California. MSNBC, ITS STAFF and OWNERS are guilty of these KILLINGS! With a continued fake news narrative.
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/media-bias-against-guns/
WE THE PEOPLE ARE REAPING WHAT THEY HAVE SOWN!
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Remember that murder in Texas how a x-vet got a gun because of some derelicts in Obama Inc's diverse military. How their dereliction of duty let the paper work slide and bang another mass killing.
We needed to drain the swamp and military of the derelicts after this was made known or it wouldn't matter how many laws were added to a all ready long list that are now in place waiting to be exercised..
For the time has now come that judgment must begin at the house of those in Authority: and if it first begin with them, what shall the end be of the others that obey not our Laws?
Judgment needs to start with Mueller and his gang of eight.
Military added 4,000 veterans to gun ban list after Texas church shooting. This article is more than 1 year old and not one main stream media covered it?
Dishonorable discharge records quietly added to background check system after veteran with domestic violence conviction killed dozens!
Thankyou Mr Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/13/us-military-guns-background-checks-texas-shooting
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RABZq5IoaQ&app=desktop
[SHORT VERSION] Black conservative leaders discuss how the NRA was created to protect freed slaves!
Here's the truth about the sordid history of restrictive gun laws in America Here's something our president can shed a tear about and I would join him. The origins are steeped in Jim Crow, Segregation and the Black Codes. Let the truth rang out!
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Obama inc should of waited 10 more years,
WE HAVE ONE MORE RIDE LEFT!
LOL!
2 Kings 6:6 And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he showed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e_z6vKxTik
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Published on May 27, 2009
No Guns for Negroes exposes the racist history behind American gun control laws.
126,802 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nckgyfGbdnU
Christ said to turn the other cheek not bend over and have the other two violated!
Though we see sanction and even a qualified directive from Christ to possess personal weapons, we must remember three points. First, in the remainder of the New Testament, we have no further examples of believers taking up the sword. Secondly, the emphasis in the remainder of the New Testament is decidedly not geared toward the issues of physical self-defense or righteous use of lethal force. Rather, we see more emphasis on Godly living, suffering affliction and persecution for Christ, and grasping the precious doctrines of Christ and the Gospel. Thirdly, possession of weapons and acquiring the skill to use them in self-defense is permitted but not required by Scripture.
Believers should be conscious that personal self-defense is legitimized by the Scriptures, just as the use of construction tools, cooking tools, transportation tools are legitimized by Scripture. And these matters of self-defense should hold in our minds and in our affections the same position as those other legitimate, but transitory, matters.
The tendency in some circles is to make the topic of self-defense of primary importance. Though heavenly beings do battle and render judgments with the sword, in the perfection pictured in both the garden of Eden and in the Heavenly city, the primary activities are fellowship with God, fellowship with His people, singing in worship, and living in peace.
That is our destination.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Are the people that were in authority being charged for Dereliction of Duty?This whole tragedy is FULL OF OTHERS THAT NEED TO BE CHARGED WITH DERELICTION OF DUTY and the 2nd Amendment nor the NRA is one of them.! Generally, dereliction of duty refers to failure through negligence or obstinacy to perform one's legal or moral duty to a reasonable expectation. In other words, it means willful failure to do what is right! Did the NRA visit this kids house 39 times like the locals, how about that 2nd Amendment?Maybe that gun pissed on that kids shoes then jumped up into his loving arms, telling him we have a job to do?
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Dereliction is a word for neglecting responsibilities. Failing to care for your family or do your job are examples of dereliction.
A church murder in Texas got a gun because of some derelicts in Obama's diverse military let it slide and now this latest mass killing. We need to drain the swamp and military of the derelicts or it won't mater how many more laws are added to a all ready long list. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of those in Authority: and if it first begin at them, what shall the end be of them that obey not the Laws? Judgment needs to start in the SWAMP!
If you are letting things go, you are engaged in dereliction. Not mowing your lawn is an example of dereliction; so is not feeding your children. Someone can be fired for dereliction of duty, meaning they have failed to do their job. Dereliction is the opposite of diligence, a quality of people who are hard-working. It might help you to remember this word if you know that homeless people are sometimes called derelicts, implying that they are not able to care for themselves.
Definitions of dereliction
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willful negligence
Types:
nonfeasance
a failure to act when under an obligation to do so; a refusal (without sufficient excuse) to do that which it is your legal duty to do
Type of:
actus reus, misconduct, wrongdoing, wrongful conduct
activity that transgresses moral or civil law
carelessness, neglect, negligence, nonperformance
failure to act with the prudence that a reasonable person would exercise under the same circumstances.
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1. The Second Amendment codifies a pre-existing right
The Constitution doesn't grant or create rights; it recognizes and protects rights that inherently exist. This is why the Founders used the word "unalienable" previously in the Declaration of Independence; these rights cannot be created or taken away. In D.C. vs. Heller, the Supreme Court said the Second Amendment “codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed ... this is not a right granted by the Constitution” (p. 19).
2. The Second Amendment protects individual, not collective rights
The use of the word "militia" has created some confusion in modern times, because we don't understand the language as it was used at the time the Constitution was written. However, the Supreme Court states in context, "it was clearly an individual right" (p. 20). The operative clause of the Second Amendment is “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” which is used three times in the Bill of Rights. The Court explains that "All three of these instances unambiguously refer to individual rights, not 'collective' rights, or rights that may be exercised only through participation in some corporate body" (p. 5), adding “nowhere else in the Constitution does a 'right' attributed to “the people” refer to anything other than an individual right" (p. 6).
3. Every citizen is the militia
To further clarify regarding the use of the word "militia," the court states “the ordinary definition of the militia as all able-bodied men” (p. 23). Today we would say it is all citizens, not necessarily just men. The Court explains: “'Keep arms' was simply a common way of referring to possessing arms, for militiamen and everyone else" (p. 9). Since the militia is all of us, it doesn't mean “only carrying a weapon in an organized military unit" (p. 11-12). “It was clearly an individual right, having nothing whatever to do with service in a militia" (p. 20).
4. Personal self-defense is the primary purpose of the Second Amendment
We often hear politicians talk about their strong commitment to the Second Amendment while simultaneously mentioning hunting. Although hunting is a legitimate purpose for firearms, it isn't the primary purpose for the Second Amendment. The Court states “the core lawful purpose [is] self-defense” (p. 58), explaining the Founders “understood the right to enable individuals to defend themselves ... the 'right of self-preservation' as permitting a citizen to 'repe[l] force by force' when 'the intervention of society in his behalf, may be too late to prevent an injury' (p.21). They conclude "the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right" (p.56).
5. There is no interest-balancing approach to the Second Amendment
Interest-balancing means we balance a right with other interests. The court notes that we don't interpret rights this way stating “we know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding “interest-balancing” approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all” (p.62-63). This doesn't mean that it is unlimited, the same as all rights (more on that below). However, the court states that even though gun violence is a problem to be taken seriously, “the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table" (p.64).
6. The Second Amendment exists to prevent tyranny
You've probably heard this. It's listed because this is one of those things about the Second Amendment that many people think is made up. In truth, this is not made up. The Court explains that in order to keep the nation free (“security of a free state”), then the people need arms: “When the able-bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny" (p.24-25). The Court states that the Founders noted "that history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the able bodied men was not by banning the militia but simply by taking away the people’s arms, enabling a select militia or standing army to suppress political opponents" (p. 25). At the time of ratification, there was real fear that government could become oppressive: “during the 1788 ratification debates, the fear that the federal government would disarm the people in order to impose rule through a standing army or select militia was pervasive" (p.25). The response to that concern was to codify the citizens' militia right to arms in the Constitution (p. 26).
7. The Second Amendment was also meant as a provision to repel a foreign army invasion
You may find this one comical, but it's in there. The court notes one of many reasons for the militia to ensure a free state was “it is useful in repelling invasions” (p.24). This provision, like tyranny, isn't an everyday occurring use of the right; more like a once-in-a-century (if that) kind of provision. A popular myth from World War II holds Isoroku Yamamoto, commander-in-chief of the Imperial Japanese navy allegedly said “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” Although there is no evidence of him saying this, there was concern that Japan might invade during WWII. Japan did invade Alaska, which was a U.S. territory at the time, and even today on the West Coast there are still gun embankments from the era (now mostly parks). The fact is that there are over 310 million firearms in the United States as of 2009, making a foreign invasion success less likely (that, and the U.S. military is arguably the strongest in the world).
8. The Second Amendment protects weapons "in common use at the time"
The right to keep and bear arms isn't unlimited: “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited” (p. 54). The Court upheld restrictions like the prohibition of arms by felons and the mentally ill, and carrying in certain prohibited places like schools and courthouses. What is protected are weapons "in common use of the time" (p.55). This doesn't mean weapons in common use “at that time,” meaning the 18th Century. The Court said the idea that it would is “frivolous” and that “the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding" (p.8). The Court's criteria includes weapons in popular widespread use “that [are] overwhelmingly chosen by American society" (p. 56), and “the most popular weapon chosen by Americans” (p. 58).
9. The Second Amendment might require full-blown military arms to fulfill the original intent
The Court didn't rule specifically on this in D.C. vs. Heller, but noting that weapon technology has drastically changed (mentioning modern day bombers and tanks), they stated “the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large" (p. 55).
They further added that “the fact that modern developments [in modern weaponry] have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right" (p. 56). A full ruling has not been made, as this was not in the scope the court was asked to rule on in the D.C. vs. Heller case, but they left the door open for future ruling.
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Sir, you are are violating its context!
Yes, you might argue that it is biblical but by violating its context you give the enemy power.
Satan used scripture when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness.
Oh what a slippery and self deceptive slope that is!
Kindly refrain from accusing others of your own mighty defects.
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Originally posted by kornelius:
and the good news is?
Christ is on his way.
Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
watch
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verb
verb: watch; 3rd person present: watches; past tense: watched; past participle: watched; gerund or present participle: watching
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look at or observe attentively,
synonyms: observe, view, look at, eye, gaze at, stare at, gape at, peer at; contemplate, survey, keep an eye on;
inspect, scrutinize, scan, examine, study, ogle, gawk at, regard, mark;
informalcheck out, get a load of, eyeball;
literarybehold
"she watched him as he spoke"
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and the good news is?
Sir, you are are violating its context!
Yes, you might argue that it is biblical but by violating its context you give the enemy power.
Satan used scripture when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness.
Oh what a slippery and self deceptive slope that is!
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Originally posted by kornelius:
I think that's a convenient out for those who want to justify killing.
If we claim Jesus as our example, can you see him killing?
Please study your Bible.
Christ will be coming back WITH A ROD OF IRON!
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I think that's a convenient out for those who want to justify killing.
If we claim Jesus as our example, can you see him killing?
Peter felt sufficiently justified to whip out a weapon and use it at the arrest of Jesus but Jesus rebuked him sharply and not only that, healed the injured man.
If we claim sanctification, killing other people does not cut it.
If we claim to have good news for the lost, do we then kill them when we can't control them?
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Originally posted by kornelius:
So many words!
I wonder what is difficult to understand about the commandment 'though shalt not kill'
annnd……are we nullifying the command of God by the rules and rational of men?
No the Commandment reads THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!
The original Hebrew, lo tirtsah., is very clear, since the verb ratsah. means ‘murder,’ not ‘kill.’
Read more: https://forward.com/articles/6091/on-language/
There is a difference.
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So many words!
I wonder what is difficult to understand about the commandment 'though shalt not kill'
annnd……are we nullifying the command of God by the rules and rational of men?
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The 1st murderer used a rock on his brother! its not the tool, its improper training without restraint and a rebellious liberal aptitude towards evil. There are many more "military grade" game boy shoot em up simulators out there than there are registered guns. Matter of fact the latest generation of these sensual simulators and add some Ozzy or Manson, some kids with anger issues should not be in training on. No its not the X-box/game-boy, the back ground music or the gun, its the Cain factor. You can not legislate that, its free will. So now this Cain mutiny on society can be brought in check by the proper G-force.
By having properly trained individuals on station Cain's blood will be on his own head and not the innocence of America.
We are all made in God's image and here in ls the crime, that these Cain rebels attempt to murder.
The death sentence must be reinstated. Flying squads trained and established within our schools.
G-force is greater than the Cain Factor.
Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
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The faithful should be conscious that personal self-defense is legitimatized by the Scriptures, just as the use of construction tools, cooking tools, transportation tools are legitimized by Scripture. And these matters of self-defense should hold in our minds and in our affections the same position as those other legitimate, but transitory, matters.
The Home is a real man's castle.
Matthew 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Mark 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
Luke 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
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This day with this post you Hillary voters have been warned of your error. Your blood is now upon your own heads.
SHE WORKS FOR THE BROTHERHOOD of DARKNESS and she worked for Obama Inc. BOTH IMPORT DEATH to AMERICA! ------You can still change your vote! if not,
May her imports find you sleeping in your imaginary safe zones in your minds.May the Lord help those that are not of the age of accountability.
In Jesus Name,
Amen.
Ezekiel 33
1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
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Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
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I am not going for that self defense teaching,for the saints are instructed to not fight verbally,when verbally assaulted,and not fight physically,when physically assaulted.
Everything is in God's hand,and nothing can happen,unless God allows it,and God said,do not go against the government,for that government can only rule if God allows it,and if God allows it,who are you to go against the government,for if you go against the government,you go against God.
Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Christ said turn the other cheek not bend over and have the other 2 violated as well!...
In this country and by our God Breathed Constitution, we have a 2nd Amendment responsibility to DEFEND SELF AND STATE>
Believers should be conscious that personal self-defense is legitimatized by the Scriptures, just as the use of construction tools, cooking tools, transportation tools are legitimized by Scripture. And these matters of self-defense should hold in our minds and in our affections the same position as those other legitimate, but transitory, matters.
The tendency in some circles is to make the topic of self-defense of primary importance. Though heavenly beings do battle and render judgments with the sword, in the perfection pictured in both the garden of Eden and in the Heavenly city, the primary activities are fellowship with God, fellowship with His people, singing in worship, and living in peace.
That is our destination.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
All men crappeth and it stinketh, God really would that you wippeth yourself unless not able.
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Ezekiel 33 "... 6 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'
Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
1. Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you did not have money, a traveler’s bag, or an extra pair of sandals, did you need anything?” “No,” they replied. “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!
2. Exodus 22:2-3 “If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder. But if it happens in daylight, the one who killed the thief is guilty of murder. “A thief who is caught must pay in full for everything he stole. If he cannot pay, he must be sold as a slave to pay for his theft.
3. Luke 22:38 And they were saying to him, ‘Our Lord, behold, here are two swords.’ He said to them, ‘They are enough.’
4. Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.
5. Psalm 18:34 He trains my hands for battle; he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.
6. Psalm 144:1 A psalm of David. Praise the LORD, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle.
7. 2 Samuel 22:35 He trains my hands for war, so that my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
Nehemiah 4:13-14 ESV
So in the lowest parts of the space behind the wall, in open places, I stationed the people by their clans, with their swords, their spears, and their bows. And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Nehemiah 4:8-23
In Nehemiah 4, Israelites have been sent back from captivity to rebuild Jerusalem. They were rebuilding their lives with the sanction of the civil ruler, King Artaxerxes. This was not a wartime scenario. It was closer to a racial integration scenario where racists wanted to kill them. Think of the KKK threatening black homeowners and students. They are surrounded by people who hate them and want to kill them.
These were citizens, not soldiers. Nehemiah 4:13 says that people stationed "people by families" around the city. These were not trained soldiers or law enforcement officers. They were merely concerned residents and settlers—citizens, not professional soldiers or law enforcement agents.
Note that these families were armed, with "their swords, their spears, and their bows." This is a situation where they are willing to apply lethal force to defend themselves.
Let's briefly discuss swords, spears, and bows. Swords and daggers killed Ehud, Amasa, and eighty priests. At longer ranges, we know bows and slings killed men like Goliath, King Joram, and King Ahab. Spears killed men like Asahel, Absaolm, the Israelite man and the Midianitish woman, and many others. These are handguns, shotguns, and rifles. These are implements of lethal force. In fact, at close range, a sword is more deadly than a handgun. These ancient weapons are as deadly as their modern counterparts.
Note that they are carrying these weapons for personal defense and civil defense, and that these are "assault weapons", namely, the same types of weapons that armies would use for offensive purposes. And why wouldn't they want assault weapons (for those weapons are the most effective weapons for defending oneself)? Why would you not want to use the best tools available for the task at hand?
Against what are they defending themselves? The crime of unlawful, racist murder. Hate crimes. They are defending their lives and their homes. Nehemiah 4:14 specifically says, "...fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your houses." It is good and right to defend your family, even using lethal force weapons.
One final observation: In self-defense, these citizens did not merely own weapons. Rather, where they perceived a risk of harm to their persons, they carried their weapons with them, as many people legally carry weapons with them today, for the purpose of self-protection:
Nehemiah 4 17 Those who were rebuilding the wall and those who carried burdens took their load with one hand doing the work and the other holding a weapon. 18 As for the builders, each wore his sword girded at his side as he built, while the trumpeter stood near me. ... 21 So we carried on the work with half of them holding spears from dawn until the stars appeared. .... 23 So neither I, my brothers, my servants, nor the men of the guard who followed me, none of us removed our clothes, each took his weapon even to the water.
If you live somewhere where you have reason to be concerned about crime, this would be similar to legally carrying a weapon to defend your family, even when running daily errands to the store.
http://www.biblicalselfdefense.com/
http://biblereasons.com/defending-yourself/
http://www.gotquestions.org/self-defense.html
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I am not going for that self defense teaching,for the saints are instructed to not fight verbally,when verbally assaulted,and not fight physically,when physically assaulted.
Everything is in God's hand,and nothing can happen,unless God allows it,and God said,do not go against the government,for that government can only rule if God allows it,and if God allows it,who are you to go against the government,for if you go against the government,you go against God.
If nothing can happen,unless God allows it,and someone attacks you,then it is obvious God allows it,and if God allows it,who are you to go against it,and let God take care of it.
You do not want to be fighting against God.
The Bible says resist not evil,which do not resist physical evil.
Jesus said if they smite one cheek,turn the other cheek to them.
Jesus said do not worry what they can do to the body,but can do no more,but fear God,for if you do not,He can do worse than that.
Jesus said be wise as serpent,but harmless as doves.
Jesus told the disciple that cut off the High Priest's servants ear,to put up the sword,for he that uses the sword,will perish with the sword.
The Bible says the beast will make war against the saints,in which God said for the saints to not fight back,for however they fight back,it will come back on them.
God said,do not take vengeance on your own,but vengeance is mine,I will repay.
We are not to fight physically,not for our own personal safety,not for our loved ones,and not for the kingdom of God,for nothing can happen,unless God allows it,and they could never touch Jesus,until the time came.
We have to let God handle it,and if we are with God,what is to worry about,and God said Paul will suffer many things,laboring for the kingdom of God,which he was persecuted,stoned,and beat with stripes,quite a few times,and did not fight back,but he survived,and kept going.
Don not care what they can do to the body,but can do no more,but fear God,and obey Him,for if not,it will be worse.
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MY Comment this morning to Channel 2.
Comment line.Phone: (248) 557-2000
Newsroom: (248) 552-5103
The POLITICAL story you just aired with a black person CLAIMING TO BE MENTAL in front of computer claiming she was getting a gun , SHOWING THE COMPUTER as PROOF FOR TOUGHER LAWS is a LIE.
YOU NEED TO BE HELD LIABLE FOR THIS. Let her go down and get that gun 1st and lie on the application with your cameras running and a locale police officer standing by, then we will lock her back up in the blue room.. Didn't YOU PEOPLE READ WHAT HAS TO BE SIGNED FIRST BEFORE YOU AIRED THIS? Whats sad is this type of PROPAGANDA is only pandering for support of a POLITICAL OPINION that will not Enforce the laws we already have.
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/73821167-story
Mentally ill woman: gun background checks need to be stronger
But a woman who identifies as a mental health patient says she has no problem legally obtaining a weapon - and she has a big problem with that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RABZq5IoaQ&app=desktop
Here's the truth about the sordid history of restrictive gun laws in America Here's something our president can shed a tear about and I would join him. The origins are steeped in Jim Crow, Segregation and the Black Codes. Let the truth rang out!
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Originally posted by yeshuaslavejeff:
For those seeking,
seek and keep seeking,
see in Scripture
that if anyone kills another person
they shall be killed themself.
The only exception
I see in Scripture and in Spirit
in line with all Scripture
is if it is an accident.
see Foxes Book of Martyrs ((and read it))
before replying, IF you are seeking
and keep seeking Yahweh's Way.
footnote: ((about missouri police state)):
right after wwII ((an unjust war started by
those who still don't want to be known as
warmongers)) ,
books were published illustrating that usa
was already a police state much like nazi germ.
and it has become moreso since then,
every year.
Corrie ten Boom wrote and came to the churches
in the usa over 20 years ago to warn us/them
about the trouble already active and the
dismal lack of pastors warning their 'congregations' ..... just as in china the pastors lamented after MILLIONS were MARTYRED
that they had told their own congregations 'peace peace' when there was no peace and had not
prepared them EITHER FOR SERVICE TO THE GOSPEL
NOR FOR THE PERSECUTION that took and still
takes so many lives every day.
Your opinion..
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For those seeking,
seek and keep seeking,
see in Scripture
that if anyone kills another person
they shall be killed themself.
The only exception
I see in Scripture and in Spirit
in line with all Scripture
is if it is an accident.
see Foxes Book of Martyrs ((and read it))
before replying, IF you are seeking
and keep seeking Yahweh's Way.
footnote: ((about missouri police state)):
right after wwII ((an unjust war started by
those who still don't want to be known as
warmongers)) ,
books were published illustrating that usa
was already a police state much like nazi germ.
and it has become moreso since then,
every year.
Corrie ten Boom wrote and came to the churches
in the usa over 20 years ago to warn us/them
about the trouble already active and the
dismal lack of pastors warning their 'congregations' ..... just as in china the pastors lamented after MILLIONS were MARTYRED
that they had told their own congregations 'peace peace' when there was no peace and had not
prepared them EITHER FOR SERVICE TO THE GOSPEL
NOR FOR THE PERSECUTION that took and still
takes so many lives every day.
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Originally posted by WildB:
Believers should be conscious that personal self-defense is legitimatized by the Scriptures, just as the use of construction tools, cooking tools, transportation tools are legitimized by Scripture. And these matters of self-defense should hold in our minds and in our affections the same position as those other legitimate, but transitory, matters.
The tendency in some circles is to make the topic of self-defense of primary importance. Though heavenly beings do battle and render judgments with the sword, in the perfection pictured in both the garden of Eden and in the Heavenly city, the primary activities are fellowship with God, fellowship with His people, singing in worship, and living in peace.
That is our destination.
http://www.biblicalselfdefense.com/ [Prayer]
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To my House Rep......
Dear Sir,. .
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In ORDER To RESTORE American Constitutional Security & domestic Tranquility, and to Restore the Constitutional Republic as mandated by all American Founding Documents >>
REQUIRES That –
The enumerated constitutional security institutions of the several States [ordered disbanded 7 years before the secret Jekyll Island banksters mtg]
—the “well regulated Militia * of the several States”, composed of “We * the People of the several States” organized in authorized command structures,
MUST BE Revitalized through the People’s Revision, in their legislatures, of the existing several States Militia Acts,
IN ORDER for “the Militia to execute the Laws”—to enforce the Constitution & Bill of Rights and all the truly constitutional Laws,
And to “provide for the common Defence” of life, liberty and property Rights—the “end” (purpose) of government. [Samuel Adams, John Locke, Frédéric Bastiat, et al]
North Carolina can be used as a example of the proper procedure to get this done....north-carolina-governor-signs-militia-law-will-other-states-follow/
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2011/Bills/House/PDF/H250v4.pdf
Restoring the Power of the Sword—constitutional Militia and constitutional Enforcement, will facilitate Restoring the Power of the Purse—constitutional Sound Money and a sound economic system.
There is a Process to get all this Done, and obviously there is historical precedent.
Decl of Independence: “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed . . when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty . . to provide . . Guards for their future Security . . and such is now the necessity
Art of Confederation, Art VI Clause 4: “. . every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.”
Preamble: “WE The PEOPLE . . in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence . . and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution”
Art I Sec 8 Clause 1: “To . . provide for the common Defence”
Art I Sec 8 Clause 15: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;”
Art I Sec 8 Clause 16: “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”
Art II Sec 2 Clause 1: “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;”2nd Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
10th Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Most Respectfully,
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MOLON LABE DVD
History has demonstrated time and again that, to the degree citizens are unarmed or disarmed, government suppression and tyranny are inevitable.
The Founders of the United States knew these lessons well. This is why the U.S. Constitution not only acknowledges and guarantees the "right to keep and bear arms" but the duty to be well-organized as a state militia reporting to their respective governors.
This duty, as well as the militia, are often misunderstood. As a result, a "gun-control lobby" has been steadily eroding the original intent of the Founders by passing unconstitutional gun control "laws," funding a standing, global army, and destroying the 300-year-old militia system established by We The People.
Guests include Ron Paul, G. Edward Griffin, Chuck Baldwin, and Larry Pratt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofrhqP7JWaA
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News 12 New Jersey
BRUTAL ATTACK CAUGHT ON CAMERA: Do you know this man? A young mother is hoping that someone will recognize the man that attacked her in her own home, in front of her 3-year-old daughter.
PLEASE NOTE: Video is graphic in nature!
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Federal Power Grab: Standing Army and Civil Disturbances
by DOUGLAS GIBBS on JUNE 3, 2013 Print This Post
In Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution, the Congressional appropriation of money for funding the Army is limited to two years. There is no limitations on funding the Navy, and in fact the Congress is instructed in the next clause to “provide and maintain a Navy.”
The Founding Fathers feared a standing army. Yes, an army is needed for the common defense of the nation, in order to protect the union, and the sovereign States, from foreign invaders. However, the fears of the federal government growing into a tyranny, and using the standing army against the citizenry, was a reality.
When the police were marching through the streets of Boston in search of the Marathon Bomber, I wondered if there was anyone else as uncomfortable with the jackboot troops going door to door and searching the homes without a warrant. What is even more interesting is that it wasn’t the police marching through the streets that caught the hiding Chechnyan, but a citizen who went against police orders by going outside to have a cigarette, and noticing something wrong with his boat.
Sure, I get it, they were just trying to do their job. But how close were they to the fine line between “protect and serve” and “police state”?
http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2013/06/federal-power-grab-standing-army-and-civil-disturbances/
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I would love to read your OP Bill. But I'm 81 and I don't think I will live long enough to read it all. Did it ever occur to you to condense it?
Not OP son.
Not meant to be a condense it read.
Its something that one should take some prayerful time to really study.
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I would love to read your OP Bill. But I'm 81 and I don't think I will live long enough to read it all. Did it ever occur to you to condense it?
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So John316
Christ said to turn the other cheek are you suggesting that the baseball fans bend over to have the other 2 slapped too!
Please learn to rightly divide the Word and stop pushing your opinion.
Perspective
Finally, keep the right perspective on this. Though we see sanction and even a qualified directive from Christ to possess personal weapons, we must remember three points. First, in the remainder of the New Testament, we have no further examples of believers taking up the sword. Secondly, the emphasis in the remainder of the New Testament is decidedly not geared toward the issues of physical self-defense or righteous use of lethal force. Rather, we see more emphasis on Godly living, suffering affliction and persecution for Christ, and grasping the precious doctrines of Christ and the Gospel. Thirdly, possession of weapons and acquiring the skill to use them in self-defense is permitted but not required by Scripture.
Believers should be conscious that personal self-defense is legitimized by the Scriptures, just as the use of construction tools, cooking tools, transportation tools are legitimized by Scripture. And these matters of self-defense should hold in our minds and in our affections the same position as those other legitimate, but transitory, matters.
The tendency in some circles is to make the topic of self-defense of primary importance. Though heavenly beings do battle and render judgments with the sword, in the perfection pictured in both the garden of Eden and in the Heavenly city, the primary activities are fellowship with God, fellowship with His people, singing in worship, and living in peace.
That is our destination.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Jesus had the power of GOD and his army on his side. One command from Jesus and we would all be done. Yet he never tried to use self-defense (physical). He use words…powerful and truthful words.
Jesus said “Happy are you when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kinds of evil lies against you because you are my followers. 12 Be happy and glad, for a great reward is kept for you in heaven. This is how the prophets who lived before you were persecuted.” (Matthew 5:11)
Jesus said about Anger “21 You have heard that people were told in the past, ‘Do not commit murder; anyone who does will be brought to trial.’ 22 But now I tell you: if you are angry[b] with your brother you will be brought to trial, if you call your brother ‘You good-for-nothing!’ you will be brought before the Council, and if you call your brother a worthless fool you will be in danger of going to the fire of hell. 23 So if you are about to offer your gift to God at the altar and there you remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar, go at once and make peace with your brother, and then come back and offer your gift to God.” (Matthew 5:21)
Jesus said about Revenge “38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But now I tell you: do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, let him slap your left cheek too. 40 And if someone takes you to court to sue you for your shirt, let him have your coat as well. 41 And if one of the occupation troops forces you to carry his pack one mile, carry it two miles. 42 When someone asks you for something, give it to him; when someone wants to borrow something, lend it to him.” (Matthew 5:38)
Jesus said about your Enemies “43 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your friends, hate your enemies.’ 44 But now I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may become the children of your Father in heaven. For he makes his sun to shine on bad and good people alike, and gives rain to those who do good and to those who do evil. 46 Why should God reward you if you love only the people who love you? Even the tax collectors do that! 47 And if you speak only to your friends, have you done anything out of the ordinary? Even the pagans do that! 48 You must be perfect—just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:43)
So then…If you follow the teachings of Christ, what need is there for a gun?? Psalm 91:11 must be lying when it says “11 God will put his angels in charge of you to protect you wherever you go.”
God said “I am your GOD” But man picked statues and every other god. GOD said “I will protect you”. Man wanted weapons to do the job. Then we take GOD’s words and try to use them to further our own needs to sin, to try and prove GOD wants us to sin. Interesting.
If these are the greatest of the commandments…where is the need for weapons???
34 When the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they came together, 35 and one of them, a teacher of the Law, tried to trap him with a question. 36 “Teacher,” he asked, “which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and the most important commandment. 39 The second most important commandment is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ 40 The whole Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these two commandments.” (Matthew 22:34-40)
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