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I love you, too Carol. Thank you Carol, for posting that.

Messianic Jews see them selves different. They are prideful in that they think that they are step closer to Jesus because they were born Jewish. Of course they deny their pride, but their insistence in obeying Jewish laws and setting themselves apart from just "Christians" show that it is true. While I believe that the Jews are God's chosen people and during the tribulation God will focus His attention on Israel and Her people, God does not have two classes of Christian- Jewish Christians and Christians. But until the rapture there is no more value in being a Jewish Christian then saying you are a American Christian.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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quote:
I am re-reading my post verses your posts and the "heart" issue you speak of is certainly not coming from me.
I'm not the one getting mad.

To me it isn't about Jewish; it's about the Law. If a Chinese or a Native American or anyone else said we have to obey Torah for blessings, then I would disagree. We are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ, and we are to walk in the Spirit and obey Him. Abide in Him, bear spiritual fruit to His glory, and do the good works He has prepared for us to do.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ

(Ephesians 1:3)

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quote:
Galatians 1:11 - 12 (NASB)
For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

His plans for His church are different from His plans for Israel.

His message to His church is different from His message to Israel.

He appointed a different Apostle for His Gentiles than those he chose for Israel.

There is an obvious difference between being told to live by the Law of Moses, and being told we are saved by Grace apart from the Law!

We walk in the Spirit and live by the Law of CHRIST, not the Law of Moses.

but the Gospel to the Jew is the same Gospel to the Gentiles....One Gospel for the entire human race ....not two as the Berean Bible Society teaches....

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but the Gospel to the Jew is the same Gospel to the Gentiles....One Gospel for the entire human race ....not two as the Berean Bible Society teaches....


Yes, there is one gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

But ISRAEL and the Church are separate!

You seem to believe the teachings of Covenant Theology.

What is Covenant Theology?

Covenant Theology isn’t so much a ‘theology’ in the sense of a systematic set of doctrine as it is a framework for interpreting Scripture. It is usually contrasted with another interpretative framework for Scripture called ‘Dispensational Theology,’ or ‘Dispensationalism.’ Dispensationalism is currently the most popular scriptural interpretative method in American evangelicalism, and has been so from the latter half of the 19th century on through to the 21st century. Covenant Theology, however, remains the majority report for Protestantism since the time of the Reformation. Where dispensationalism sees the Scriptures unfolding in a series of (typically) seven ‘dispensations’ (a ‘dispensation’ can be defined as the particular means God uses to deal with man and creation during a given period in redemptive history), Covenant Theology looks at the Scriptures through the grid of the covenant. Covenant Theology defines two overriding covenants: the covenant of works (CW) and the covenant of grace (CG). A third covenant is sometimes mentioned; namely, the covenant of redemption (CR), which logically precedes the other two covenants. We will discuss these covenants in turn. The important thing to keep in mind is that all of the various covenants described in Scripture (e.g., the covenants made with Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and the New Covenant) are outworkings of either the covenant of works or the covenant of grace.

Let’s begin to examine the various covenants detailed in Covenant Theology beginning with the covenant of redemption, which logically precedes the other two covenants. According to Covenant Theology, the CR is a covenant made among the three Persons of the trinity to elect, atone for, and save a select group of individuals unto salvation and eternal life. As one popular pastor-theologian has said, in the covenant of redemption, “the Father chooses a bride for His Son.” While the CR is not explicitly stated in Scripture, Scripture does explicitly state the eternal nature of the plan of salvation (Ephesians 1:3-14; 3:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:9; James 2:5; 1 Peter 1:2). Moreover, Jesus often referred to His task as carrying out the Father’s will (John 5:3, 43; 6:38-40; 17:4-12). That the salvation of the elect was God’s intention from the very beginning of creation cannot be doubted; the CR just formalizes this eternal plan in the language of covenant.

From a redemptive historical perspective, the covenant of works is the first covenant we see in Scripture. When God created man, he placed him in the Garden of Eden and gave him one simple command: “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die” (Genesis 2:16-17). We can see the covenantal language implied in this command. God sets up Adam in the Garden and promises eternal life to him and his posterity as long as he is obedient to God’s commands. Life is the reward for obedience and death is the punishment for disobedience. This is covenant language.

Some scholars see in the covenant of works a form of what is called a Suzerain-Vassal covenant. In these types of covenants, the suzerain (i.e., king or ruler) would offer the terms of the covenant to the vassal (i.e., the subject). The suzerain would provide blessing and protection in return for the vassal’s tribute. In the case of the covenant of works, God (the suzerain) promises eternal life and blessing to mankind (the vassal represented by Adam as the head of the human race), in return for man’s obedience to the stipulations of the covenant (i.e., don’t eat from the tree). We see a similar structure in the giving of the Old Covenant through Moses to Israel. Israel made a covenant with God at Sinai. God would give the Promised Land, a reconstituted ‘Eden’ (“a land flowing with milk and honey”), and His blessing and protection against all enemies in return for Israel’s obedience to the stipulations of the covenant. The punishment for covenant violation was expulsion from the land (which occurred in the conquest of the Northern Kingdom in 722 BC and the Southern Kingdom in 586 BC).

When Adam failed in keeping the covenant of works, God instituted the third covenant, called the covenant of grace. In the CG, God freely offers to sinners (those who fail to live up to the CW) eternal life and salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. We see the provision for the CG right after the fall when God prophesies about the “seed of the woman” in Genesis 3:15. Whereas the covenant of works is conditional and promises blessing for obedience and cursing for disobedience, the covenant of grace is unconditional and is given freely on the basis of God’s grace. The CG takes the form of ancient land-grant treaties, in which a king would give land to a recipient as a gift, no strings attached. One can argue that faith is a condition of the covenant of grace. There are many exhortations in the Bible for the recipients of God’s unconditional grace to remain faithful to the end, so in a very real sense, maintaining faith is a condition of the CG. But the Bible clearly teaches that even saving faith is a gracious gift from God (Ephesians 2:8-9).

We see the covenant of grace manifested in the various unconditional covenants God makes with individuals in the Bible. The covenant God makes with Abraham (to be his God and for Abraham and his descendants to be His people) is an extension of the CG. The Davidic covenant (that a descendant of David will always reign as king) is also an extension of the CG. Finally, the New Covenant is the final expression of the CG as God writes His law upon our hearts and completely forgives our sins. One thing that should be apparent as we look at these various OT covenants is that they all find their fulfillment in Jesus Christ. The promise to Abraham to bless all the nations was fulfilled in Christ. The Davidic king who will eternally rule over God’s people was also fulfilled in Christ, and the New Covenant was obviously fulfilled in Christ. Even in the Old Covenant there are hints of the CG as all of the OT sacrifices and rituals point forward to the saving work of Christ, our great High Priest (Hebrews 8–10). This is why Jesus can say in the Sermon on the Mount that He came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17).

We also see the CG in action in the OT when God spares His people the judgment that their repeated sin deserves. Even though the stipulations of the Mosaic Covenant (an application of the CW) promised God’s judgment upon Israel for their disobedience to His commands, God deals patiently with His covenant people. This is usually accompanied by the phrase “God remembered the covenant he made with Abraham” (2 Kings 13:23; Psalm 105; Isaiah 29:22; 41:8); God’s promise to fulfill the covenant of grace (which by definition is a one-sided covenant) oftentimes overrode his right to enforce the covenant of works.

That’s a brief description of covenant theology and how it interprets Scripture through the lens of the covenant. A question that sometimes arises regarding covenant theology is whether or not the CG supplants or supersedes the CW. In other words, is the CW obsolete since the Old Covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13)? The Old (Mosaic) covenant, while an application of the CW, is not the CW. Again, the CW goes all the way back to Eden when God promised life for obedience and death for disobedience. The CW is further elaborated in the Ten Commandments, in which God again promises life and blessing for obedience and death and punishment for disobedience. The Old Covenant is more than just the moral law codified in the Ten Commandments. The Old Covenant includes the rules and regulations regarding the worship of God. It also includes the civil law that governed the nation of Israel during the theocracy and monarchy. With the coming of Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah of the OT, many aspects of the Old Covenant become obsolete because Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant types and figures (again see Hebrews 8–10). The Old Covenant represented the “types and shadows,” whereas Christ represents the “substance” (Colossians 2:17). Again, Christ came to fulfill the law (Matthew 5:17). As Paul says, “For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the ‘Amen’ is spoken by us to the glory of God” (2 Corinthians 1:20).

However, this does not abrogate the covenant of works as codified in the moral law. God demanded holiness from His people in the OT (Leviticus 11:44) and still demands holiness from His people in the NT (1 Peter 1:16). As such, we are still obligated to fulfill the stipulations of the CW. The good news is that Jesus Christ, the last Adam and our covenant Head, perfectly fulfilled the demands of the CW and that perfect righteousness is the reason why God can extend the CG to the elect. Romans 5:12-21 describes the situation between the two ‘federal’ heads of the human race. Adam represented the human race in the Garden and failed to uphold the CW, thereby plunging him and his posterity into sin and death. Jesus Christ stood as man’s representative, from His temptation in the wilderness all the way to Calvary, and perfectly fulfilled the CW. That is why Paul can say, “As in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:22).

In conclusion, Covenant Theology views the Scriptures as manifestations of either the CW or the CG. The entire story of redemptive history can be seen as God unfolding the CG from its nascent stages (Genesis 3:15) all the way through its fruition in Christ. Covenant Theology is, therefore, a very Christocentric way of looking at Scripture because it sees the OT as the promise of Christ and the NT as the fulfillment in Christ. Some have accused Covenant Theology as teaching what is called “Replacement Theology” (i.e., the Church replaces Israel). This couldn’t be further from the truth. Unlike Dispensationalism, Covenant Theology does not see a sharp distinction between Israel and the Church. Israel constituted the people of the God in the OT, and the Church (which is made up of Jew and Gentile) constitutes the people of God in the NT; both just make up one people of God (Ephesians 2:11-20). The Church doesn’t replace Israel; the Church is Israel and Israel is the Church (Galatians 6:16). All people who exercise the same faith as Abraham are part of the covenant people of God (Galatians 3:25-29).

Many more things can be said regarding Covenant Theology, but the important thing to keep in mind is that Covenant Theology is an interpretive grid for understanding the Scriptures. As we have seen, it is not the only interpretive grid for reading Scripture. Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism have many differences, and sometimes lead to opposite conclusions regarding certain secondary doctrines

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quote:
Originally posted by becauseHElives:
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Galatians 1:11 - 12 (NASB)
For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

His plans for His church are different from His plans for Israel.

His message to His church is different from His message to Israel.

He appointed a different Apostle for His Gentiles than those he chose for Israel.

There is an obvious difference between being told to live by the Law of Moses, and being told we are saved by Grace apart from the Law!

We walk in the Spirit and live by the Law of CHRIST, not the Law of Moses.

but the Gospel to the Jew is the same Gospel to the Gentiles....One Gospel for the entire human race ....not two as the Berean Bible Society teaches....
It has been pointed out to you for years, that the Gospel of the kingdom preached to the circumcised required Grace PLUS WORKS evidenced by signs.

You no longer have a excuse to be ignorant.

Please stop your attempts to divide the Body of Christ.

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quote:
Originally posted by becauseHElives:
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Galatians 1:11 - 12 (NASB)
For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

His plans for His church are different from His plans for Israel.

His message to His church is different from His message to Israel.

He appointed a different Apostle for His Gentiles than those he chose for Israel.

There is an obvious difference between being told to live by the Law of Moses, and being told we are saved by Grace apart from the Law!

We walk in the Spirit and live by the Law of CHRIST, not the Law of Moses.

but the Gospel to the Jew is the same Gospel to the Gentiles....One Gospel for the entire human race ....not two as the Berean Bible Society teaches....
Amen Dale!!!

Pauline Dispensationalism falsely divides the Body of Christ and separates it into two entirely new and different categories: the Apostolic Kingdom Church and the Church of Paul.

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 "The body is one and has many members, but all the members, many though they are, are one body; and so it is with Christ. It was in one Spirit that all of us, whether Jew or Greek, slave or free, were baptized into one body." There is only one body, one Church, one Gospel. Those who hold to the two Churches/Gospels theory cannot overcome this fact.

1 Corinthians 15:1-11 Paul begins by stating, "Brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and in which you stand firm." He then relates how Christ died, was buried and rose in accordance with Scripture, "was seen by Cephas, then by the Twelve" and other witnesses, and how Paul was the least of the apostles because he persecuted the Church. Paul then concludes: "In any case, whether it be I or they, this is what we preach and this is what you believed." What WE preach! Paul clearly indicates that he and the other apostles preach the same Gospel.

Acts 10 - 11: Peter's Vision & Conversion of Gentiles Peter is the first to see that the Gospel is for Gentiles as well as Jews. In sum, "The circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were surprised that the gift of the Holy Spirit should have been poured out on the Gentiles also.... Peter put the question...'What can stop these people who have received the Holy Spirit, even as we have, from being baptized with water?' So he gave orders that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ." Acts 10:44-48

Note that Peter only had the Gentile converts baptized - he didn't have them circumcised.

Note also that Gentiles were converting under Peter's preaching while Paul apparently was only preaching to Jews: first in the synagogues in Damascus (Acts 9:19-22) then to Greek-speaking Jews in Jerusalem (Acts 9:29)!

Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council "Some men came down to Antioch from Judea and began to teach the brothers, 'Unless you are circumcised according to Mosaic practice, you cannot be saved.' " The Jerusalem Council is the slam-dunk which destroys forever the two Churches/Gospels theory. Paul took the controversy to Jerusalem and the one, true Gospel was vindicated by all: Peter, James and the whole Council and Jerusalem Church. It was NOT decided that there were two Gospels: one for Jews and one for Gentiles. Nor was it decided that Gentiles had to be circumcised in order to be saved.

Note also Peter's words, "Brothers, you know well enough that from the early days God selected ME from your number to be the one from whose lips the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe." Acts 15:7 Nobody at the Council disagreed with Peter's statement, not even Paul who was sitting right there.

Note Peter's further words:

" 'God, who reads the hearts of men, showed his approval by granting the Holy Spirit to them just as he did to us. He made no distinction between them and us, but purified their hearts by means of faith also. Why, then, do you put God to the test by trying to place on the shoulders of these converts a yoke which neither we nor our fathers were able to bear? Our belief is rather that we are saved by the favor of the Lord Jesus and so are they.' At that the whole assembly fell silent." Acts 15:8-12

"WE are saved by the favor of the Lord Jesus and so are they."

This is the Gospel as taught by Peter (and approved by the Jerusalem Council) and it is the Gospel as taught by Paul (who was present at the Jerusalem Council and did not dissent from the Council).

Note that Peter clearly states that BOTH Jews and Gentiles are saved by the grace of Christ - not by works of the Law.

There is only ONE Gospel!

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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I see NO AND in the Gospel of Grace or SIGNS to follow committed unto Paul by the Lord.


16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


If I missed it please do post.

Sign, Viper Bill

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quote:
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I see NO AND in the Gospel of Grace or SIGNS to follow committed unto Paul by the Lord.


16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


If I missed it please do post.

Sign, Viper Bill

I can take you to the scriptures which show Paul shaking off the serpent into the fire, laying hands upon the sick, even praying over and sending cloths to the sick, and where he says that he speaks in tongues more than any of the Corinthians.

But it will make no difference to you Bill, until you can lay aside the false teaching which wrongly divides the Body of Christ.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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Ephesians 2:
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Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
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And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
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In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
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In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Rev. 21:
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And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

This seems borne out by the fact that the words spoken unto Peter in Matt. 16:18, were spoken to all of the disciples in Matt. 18:

Matt. 18:
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Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
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For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

The rock or foundation of the church is the confession (ultimately the doctrine) of the apostles, which became normative for the true church.

The word church (Greek ekklesia), means literally “ a chosen or called out assembly”. Thus the use of the word as a technical term for an assembly or group of believers in Christ was quite natural. It was not viewed as an external organization, denomination, or hierarchical system. The New Testament Church is a local autonomous congregation or an assembly which is a church in and of itself. John writes to 7 churches, in His Revelation, not to one.

Scofield commentary:

16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Peter
There is the Greek a play upon the words, "thou art Peter petros-- literally 'a little rock', and upon this rock Petra I will build my church." He does not promise to build His church upon Peter, but upon Himself, as Peter is careful to tell us

(1 Peter 2:4-9)
2:4 Coming to Him, a living stone--rejected by men but chosen and valuable to God--
2:5 you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
2:6 For it stands in Scripture: Look! I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and valuable cornerstone, and the one who believes in Him will never be put to shame!
2:7 So the honor is for you who believe; but for the unbelieving, The stone that the builders rejected-- this One has become the cornerstone, and
2:8 A stone that causes men to stumble, and a rock that trips them up. They stumble by disobeying the message; they were destined for this.
2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the One who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

church:

2 (Greek - ajpovllumi (ek=="out of," kaleo =="to call"), an assembly of called out ones). The word is used of any assembly; the word itself implies no more, as, e.g., the town-meeting at Ephesus Acts 19:39 and Israel, called out of Egypt and assembled in the wilderness Acts 7:38. Israel was a true "church," but not in any sense the N.T. church--the only point of similarity being that both were "called out" and by the same God. All else is contrast.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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Eph. 2:
8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11: Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12: That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14: For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16: And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18: For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19: Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20: And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21: In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

It is by faith alone in Christ alone that the lost are redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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No one has divided the Body of Christ, made of both Jews and Gentiles. We divide the Body from Israel. So do you Caretaker!

WildB, do YOU divide the Body of Christ? I didn't think so. Me neither.

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Paul preaches the Gospel and Baptizes, and teaches of the Kingdom:

Acts 19:
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

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Are you saying, then, that we must be baptized first and then have hands laid on us before we receive the Holy Spirit?

The transition from Judaism to Jewish Christianity to Grace took time; it took years and years. Maybe that's part of the reason why God waited 40 years before He destroyed the Temple.

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Gospel

(Anglo-Saxon, godspel, “good story”). Good news, and employed as the equivalent of the Gk. euaggelion. This word in the earlier Gk. language signified “a present given to one who brought good tidings,” or “a sacrifice offered in thanksgiving for such good tidings having come.” In later Gk. it was employed for the good tidings themselves. It is used to signify:

1. The good news of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as provided by our Lord and preached by His disciples (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The gospel then is full and free deliverance from sin on the basis of simple faith in Jesus Christ, the vicarious sin-Bearer (Ephesians 2:8-10). In this aspect the gospel has two phases: one, to the unsaved—Christ died for me (John 3:16; Acts 16:30-31); second, to the saved—I died in Christ (Romans 6:2-10), with a key to the experiential realization of this fact in the life furnished by Romans 6:11.

2. Forms of the gospel to be differentiated. Many Bible teachers make a distinction in the following:

(1) The Gospel of the Kingdom. The good news that God’s purpose is to establish an earthly mediatorial kingdom in fulfillment of the Davidic covenant (2 Samuel 7:16). Two proclamations of the gospel of the kingdom are mentioned, one already past, beginning with the ministry of John the Baptist, carried on by our Lord and His disciples, and ending with the Jewish rejection of the Messiah. The other preaching is yet future (Matthew 24:14), during the Great Tribulation, and heralding the second advent of the King.

Closely connected, although perhaps not identical in its emphasis with the gospel of the kingdom, is the everlasting gospel (Revelation 14:6) preached to those on earth during the latter part of the Tribulation.

(2) The Gospel of God’s Grace (see no. 1 above). Paul calls this gospel of the grace of God “my gospel” (Romans 2:16) because the full doctrinal content based upon the gospel of the grace of God embraces the revelation of the result in the outcalling of the church, her relationship, position, privileges, and responsibility. This distinctive Pauline truth, honeycombing Ephesians and Colossians, is interwoven in all of the Pauline writings.

3. “A different gospel” (Galatians 1:6; 2 Corinthians 11:4) “which you have not accepted.” This consists of any denial or perversion of the gospel of the grace of God. Its essential stamp is that it denies the full efficacy of God’s grace alone to save, keep, and perfect, and introduces some sort of human merit. In Galatia it was legalism. Its teachers are under God’s terrible anathema. The relation of the gospel to the law of Moses has been a source of much confusion. Under grace the Ten Commandments are all presented, except that involving the observance of the seventh day. However, they are to be operative not to find favor with God but because the redeemed one has already found favor and eternal life and possesses the indwelling Spirit to work them out in daily conduct.

4. The four stories of our Lord’s life published by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The writers are called evangelists. These accounts are “gospels” because they recite the events in the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of the Lord and predicted bestowment of the Spirit, making possible “the gospel.”

(THE NEW UNGER’S BIBLE DICTIONARY)

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quote:
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Originally posted by WildB:
I see NO AND in the Gospel of Grace or SIGNS to follow committed unto Paul by the Lord.


16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


If I missed it please do post.

Sign, Viper Bill

I can take you to the scriptures which show Paul shaking off the serpent into the fire, laying hands upon the sick, even praying over and sending cloths to the sick, and where he says that he speaks in tongues more than any of the Corinthians.

But it will make no difference to you Bill, until you can lay aside the false teaching which wrongly divides the Body of Christ.

And I can take you to text where he left others sick and said he was not sent to baptize.And told another to take a little wine for his stomach.

Also where he said when that which is perfect has come these other things will cease.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
No one has divided the Body of Christ, made of both Jews and Gentiles. We divide the Body from Israel. So do you Caretaker!

WildB, do YOU divide the Body of Christ? I didn't think so. Me neither.

Nope not at all. I do see the difference in dispensation and how it divides responsibility.

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Christ is Himself the Gospel; He is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible is all about Christ. There is one Gospel.

Yet His revelation to us has been progressive. He has dealt with man through different dispensations and different covenants.

Pastors and teachers, and most of us here at this BBS, have talked about the atoning work of Christ and salvation issues. At other times we have talked about the future Rapture, Tribulation, and the Millennial Kingdom Christ will establish when He returns. We have NEVER said the two topics are the same thing.

But if we say, "Kingdom gospel" and "Grace gospel", look at the reaction!

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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
Christ is Himself the Gospel; He is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible is all about Christ. In that sense there is one Gospel.

Yet His revelation to us has been progressive. He has dealt with man through different dispensations and different covenants.

Pastors and teachers, and most of us here at this BBS, have talked about the atoning work of Christ and salvation issues. At other times we have talked about the future Rapture, Tribulation, and the Millennial Kingdom Christ will establish when He returns. We have NEVER said the two topics are the same thing.

But if we say, "Kingdom gospel" and "Grace gospel", look at the reaction!

The Berean Bible Society declares that the 12 Apostles WERE NOT a part of the Body of Christ:

http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/articles/1068064419.html

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The two positions regarding this question are known as the "twelve-in" and the "twelve-out" positions. In answering the question of whether the twelve apostles were added to the body of Christ we will present Scriptural evidence that they were not, and we will answer objections to the "twelve-out" position.

Perhaps the most striking distinction between God's plan and purpose for Israel and His plan and purpose for the church, the body of Christ, is the positions they occupy (and will occupy for all eternity). It has often been said that Israel's was an "earthly" hope. By this, we do not mean that their hope and destiny is unspiritual in any way. When Christ establishes His kingdom, it will be a very spiritual kingdom, but it will take place upon the earth. Zechariah prophesies that some day "the LORD shall go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives..." (Zechariah 14:3,4a). Then he goes on to say, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one" (Zechariah 14:9). And who is the "LORD" who will do this? It is none other than Jesus Christ Himself! He speaks of this in Matthew 25:31, "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory." And to the twelve apostles He promises, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Matthew 19:28). All of this is in accordance with God's great kingdom promises to Israel that "the meek shall inherit the earth" (Psalm 37:11a; cf. Matthew 5:5) and "the righteous shall inherit the land and dwell therein forever" (Psalm 37:29).

But to "the church which is his body" (see Ephesians 1:22,23), Paul writes, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ" (Ephesians 2:6). And to the Philippian believers, "For our conversation (lit. `citizenship') is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 3:20). And, of course, some day "the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16,17). Paul refers to all of this as our "blessed hope" (see Titus 2:13).

With all of this in mind, our question ought to be, how could the twelve apostles possibly be members of the body of Christ when they were promised to live on the earth forever, yet the "body" is promised to live in heaven?




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http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/Peter_Part_2.html

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While we respect the views of others on the matter, we do not believe that the twelve apostles, nor the kingdom saints became members of the Body of Christ. In addition to being inconsistent with the text, this view confuses the two programs of God. Furthermore, there would have been no need for Paul’s apostleship if this were the case. But there is one question that some are sure to raise: "If those living during the dispensation of Promise were incorporated into the dispensation of the Law, why is it beyond reason that those ‘in Christ’ before Paul became members of the Body of Christ at the beginning of this present dispensation?"

First and foremost, the dispensation of Promise and the dispensation of the Law were both under the umbrella of the Prophetic Program. Those living under the Promise became the recipients of the law without an interruption in their program. The addition of the law was merely a further development in God’s plans and purposes for the earth. It was added to the Promise because of transgressions (Gal. 3:18,19).

Second, the Mystery has temporally interrupted the Prophetic Program. It is a new revelation that was committed to the Apostle Paul concerning God’s plans and purposes for the heavenlies. Hence, the answer to the question, why Paul? The Mystery introduces us for the first time to a new entity called the Church, the Body of Christ. Since this new entity is unrelated to prophecy, to teach that the kingdom saints became members of the Body of Christ only serves to muddy the waters.


Carol and Bill in your support for the Berean Bible Society and Pauline Dispensationalism you truly DO DIVIDE the Body of Christ and reject the Brethren from the Body of Christ who came to Christ PRIOR to the conversion of Paul.

This is wrongly dividing the Body of Christ!!!!!!

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Several years ago I began to study and preach through the Gospel of Matthew. As I worked through the life and ministry of our Lord, a clear understanding of the message He proclaimed and the evangelistic method He used crystallized in my thinking. I came to see Jesus' Gospel as the foundation upon which all N. T. doctrine stands. Many difficult passages in the Epistles became clearer when I understood them in that light.

This book grew out of seven years of study in the Gospels. As I have immersed myself in the Gospel Jesus taught, I have become acutely aware that most of modern evangelism--both witnessing and preaching--falls short of presenting the biblical evangel in a balanced and biblical way. On a disturbing number of fronts, the message being proclaimed today is not the Gospel according to Jesus. (Introduction, p. 15)


DR. JOHN F. MacARTHUR -- The Gospel According to Jesus

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The Berean Bible Society teaches two Churches:

http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/Peter_Part_1.html

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"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:17,18).

The eighth day after Peter was born his earthly father (Jona) named him Simon, which means hearing. He was as unstable as water, but divine grace was about to make a profound change in his life. Thus, he receives a "given name" from our Lord who was well pleased with his declaration. "Thou art Peter" (Gr. Petros) a little rock. He was to become a rock, sure and steadfast, that could be relied upon to hold fast to the truth through the coming storms.

We also have a fascinating Greek play upon words in this portion. "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter [Gr. Petros], and upon this rock [Gr. Petra} I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Our Lord did not say that He was going to build His Church upon Peter (Petros) as Catholicism teaches. They believe Peter was the first Pope, a claim that is unsubstantiated by Church history and more importantly the Scriptures.

Rather, it would be built upon the special revelation that Peter received from the Father, namely, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" "Upon this rock [Gr. Petra, a massive rock] I will build my church." In other words, the church would be built upon Christ. He was to be its foundation upon which the living stones will rest (I Peter 2:1-8). If we consistently rightly divide the Word of truth, the called out ones in this passage would be the kingdom church. Therefore, it is the kingdom saints who have received their Messiah that will be added to this foundation—the first of which was the little flock that included the twelve apostles (Luke 12:32).

So then, believing Israel is the New Testament church. Contrary to tradition, we are not the New Testament church; we are the Church, the Body of Christ. Both the Old and New Covenants were made with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah (Jer. 31:31,32). However, the Apostle Paul is clear that we are partakers of Israel’s spiritual things; consequently, we are the beneficiaries of the spiritual blessings of the New Testament by grace, and grace alone. Those who claim otherwise must crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to open shame, since the blood of Christ was shed once for all in accordance with the New Testament (Rom 15:27 cf. Heb. 9:11-15).




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http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/Peter_Part_2.html

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While we respect the views of others on the matter, we do not believe that the twelve apostles, nor the kingdom saints became members of the Body of Christ. In addition to being inconsistent with the text, this view confuses the two programs of God. Furthermore, there would have been no need for Paul’s apostleship if this were the case. But there is one question that some are sure to raise: "If those living during the dispensation of Promise were incorporated into the dispensation of the Law, why is it beyond reason that those ‘in Christ’ before Paul became members of the Body of Christ at the beginning of this present dispensation?"

First and foremost, the dispensation of Promise and the dispensation of the Law were both under the umbrella of the Prophetic Program. Those living under the Promise became the recipients of the law without an interruption in their program. The addition of the law was merely a further development in God’s plans and purposes for the earth. It was added to the Promise because of transgressions (Gal. 3:18,19).

Second, the Mystery has temporally interrupted the Prophetic Program. It is a new revelation that was committed to the Apostle Paul concerning God’s plans and purposes for the heavenlies. Hence, the answer to the question, why Paul? The Mystery introduces us for the first time to a new entity called the Church, the Body of Christ. Since this new entity is unrelated to prophecy, to teach that the kingdom saints became members of the Body of Christ only serves to muddy the waters.


Carol and Bill in your support for the Berean Bible Society and Pauline Dispensationalism you truly DO DIVIDE the Body of Christ and reject the Brethren from the Body of Christ who came to Christ PRIOR to the conversion of Paul.

This is wrongly dividing the Body of Christ!!!!!!

Sorry my friend but Carol has pointed out several things that the author of this info you post, by Paul M. Sadler has been in error with. To which I agreed.

Your posting of his opinions does not prove your point.

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Sorry Bill but this posted teaching comes directly from the Berean Bible Society website.

This is the slippery slope of the Pauline Dispensationalist. Very little degree of separation between the mid-acts and the Ultra.
It divides the Body of Christ, declares that NONE prior to Paul were part of the Body of Christ and declares the Church founded upon Peter's declaration to Christ to be a different Church then the Body of Christ.

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quote:
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Sorry Bill but this posted teaching comes directly from the Berean Bible Society website.

This is the slippery slope of the Pauline Dispensationalist. Very little degree of separation between the mid-acts and the Ultra.
It divides the Body of Christ, declares that NONE prior to Paul were part of the Body of Christ and declares the Church founded upon Peter's declaration to Christ to be a different Church then the Body of Christ.

Sorry yourself, Carol and I are talking about the Dispensation of the Gospel of Grace committed unto Paul by out Lord Jesus Christ from Heaven...

Not PAULINE DISPENSATIONAL-ISUM.

If you cannot see the change/difference from what was committed to the 12 from the Lord while he was on earth to the Nation Israel then and to Paul later, it is you who divides by not understanding what a commission is.

Sign,
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Ps luv ya and we did get the Niebuhr's log splitter back.

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Originally posted by Caretaker:
Sorry Bill but this posted teaching comes directly from the Berean Bible Society website.

This is the slippery slope of the Pauline Dispensationalist. Very little degree of separation between the mid-acts and the Ultra.
It divides the Body of Christ, declares that NONE prior to Paul were part of the Body of Christ and declares the Church founded upon Peter's declaration to Christ to be a different Church then the Body of Christ.

Sorry yourself, Carol and I are talking about the Dispensation of the Gospel of Grace committed unto Paul by out Lord Jesus Christ from Heaven...

Not PAULINE DISPENSATIONAL-ISUM.

If you cannot see the change/difference from what was committed to the 12 from the Lord while he was on earth to the Nation Israel then and to Paul later, it is you who divides by not understanding what a commission is.

Sign,
Viper Bill...

Ps luv ya and we did get the Niebuhr's log splitter back.

I am glad you got the log-splitter back.

Declaring a different Gospel given by Paul from that which was given by the 12 IS Pauline Dispensationalism, if what you give walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a duck. Don't be pulling the tarp over the ball-field, when it ain't raining.

As long as you Bill post from and support Stam and the Berean Bible Society, then you are responsible for their published teaching.

Their published teaching declares that no Believer prior to Paul was a part of the Body of Christ. That the 12 were NOT a part of the Body of Christ. That the Church based upon the Apostolic Confession of faith was different than the Church of the Body of Christ.

This is false teaching.

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I would be more concerned with those that teach these things on this board but I will take a prayerful look at your charge.


1That OSAS, is a license to SIN~~~!"
2That the Sabbath is to be kept on Saturday.
3That Yahushua must be used in the place of the name JESUS.
4That the Harpazo is a lie.
5That there is no BEMA.
6That there is no such thing as a carnal Christian.
7That THE MYSTERY is a lie.
8That retention of the Law will be the guarantee of everlasting life.

For the record. I support Stam who is a part of the Berean Bible Society, there is a difference.

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quote:
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the question still boils down to...are there two different Gospel?


Yes and dispensation wise no.

Yes that it was the Blood of our Christ always.

I would never call it a different Gospel, only that the knocking down of Paul and the setting aside of Israel, made all one in the body of Christ.

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the question still boils down to...are there two different Gospel?
No. There is the gospel of Jesus Christ.

But there have been different covenants and dispensations


Although every man at any time is saved by the grace of God through faith, the content of faith differs from one dispensation to the next.

That is, the message that is offered and believed for righteousness and salvation varies according to God’s progressive revelation.

This can be understood by a careful study of Scripture making sure to rightly divide according to what had been revealed (2 Tim 2:15).

Noah and righteousness

In Genesis, Noah was counted righteous because of his obedience to God and was saved through the building of the ark in a world without rain. His faith and obedience was not based upon the knowledge of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but in the living God and his promise of a flood.

“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.” – Hebrews 11:7

While Peter explains that Noah’s salvation was a figure of the salvation found in the resurrection of Christ, there is no mention of Noah’s understanding of this truth. Peter reveals that no prophet understood such a salvation through Christ until after his death:

“Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.” – 1 Peter 1:11-12

Abraham and righteousness

It cannot be ignored that Abraham was counted righteous because of his faith in God’s word for a mighty nation, not the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Genesis 15:6). Although we now know that Abraham could be justified based upon the then-future propitiatory work of Christ, the message that counted him faithful was the promise of a mighty nation.

As Paul explains, Abraham was ‘strong in faith’ (Romans 4:20).

“And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.“ – Romans 4:21

The specific promise that God made to Abraham was not that a messiah would die for his sins, but that his wife would produce a son although she was barren and beyond her age.

“Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.” – Romans 4:18

Moses and righteousness

While Moses was able to have personal communion and conversation with God, he wrote about a righteousness gained from the obedience of faith in the law.

“And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.” – Deuteronomy 6:25

Paul expounds upon the understanding of Moses when he quotes Leviticus 18:5:

“For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.” – Romans 10:5

This righteousness and the faith that Moses and his followers had of God’s law was not faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Romans 10:2-9).

John the Baptist and righteousness

After a four century silence in God’s plan with Israel, John the Baptist appears on the scene preaching the ‘baptism of repentance for the remission of sins’ (Mark 1:4).

The message he taught was the soon coming of the promised kingdom to Israel and the Messiah. Those who believed his message accepted his baptism, and those who were unfaithful to God’s promises rejected his testimony of faith.

“But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” – Matt 3:7

The result of accepting John’s baptism was a remission of sins and righteousness by the obedience of faith. Jesus demonstrated this by taking part in the baptism, although John declared that he didn’t need it:

“But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.“ – Matt 3:14-15

Jesus and righteousness

During his earthly ministry Jesus also taught the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ as John did:

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel”

However, Jesus also taught the righteousness of the new covenant law.

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” – Matthew 5:17

“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” –Matthew 5:20

Although this standard of righteousness seemed to be stringent, there were abundant rewards for those who ‘endured to the end’ (Matt 10:22).

“But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” – Matthew 6:33

It should be noted that even though Jesus taught the law, coming kingdom, and even his identity as the son of God, belief in his atoning death and resurrection was not required for righteousness or salvation during his earthly ministry.

In fact, when he did try to explain that he had to die to his disciples, they were ignorant of the matter:

“And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.“ – Luke 18:34

The Disciples and the New Covenant righteousness

After the institution of the New Covenant and empowerment by the Holy Ghost the disciples Peter and John wrote about a faith in Jesus as the Messiah and his resurrection.

Peter explains that remaining faithful to God and his Son through the immediate trials of tribulation would secure salvation and righteousness for believers in the end:

“That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: … Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.” – 1 Peter 1:7,9

The content of the faith that they had to believe was preached by Peter at his Pentecostal debut:

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” – Acts 2:36

John also writes that their faith rested in the message that Jesus was indeed the son of God, the promised Messiah.

“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.“ – Jon 20:31

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.” – 1 John 5:1

“He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.“ – 1 John 5:12

“If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” – 1 John 2:29

This message of faith in the name of Jesus as Christ and Messiah was essential to entering the kingdom and achieving the righteousness as promised by God.

Conclusion

This list does not include the gospel of grace and imputed righteousness through Jesus Christ revealed to Paul.

http://graceambassadors.com/salvation/the-many-gospels-of-the-bible

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Carol and Bill in your support for the Berean Bible Society and Pauline Dispensationalism you truly DO DIVIDE the Body of Christ and reject the Brethren from the Body of Christ who came to Christ PRIOR to the conversion of Paul.
Actually, I don't support the Berean Bible Society because I don't agree with their mid-Acts position (sorry WildB). The New Covenant church began at Pentecost with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

However, that does not mean that the 12 and all the Old Testament saints and everyone had the same message. They didn't! To try to force the idea that they all had to have the same message, and the same job, or else we are dividing Christ is just...proud and stubborn.

Those who reject Christians, those who reject Grace Ministers, are the ones who are dividing the Body of Christ.

Do I study the entire Bible? YES I DO! Do I believe that the Sermon On The Mount was meant for me? YES I DO! Not in the way of legalism, but because these are the things that please my Lord, and I love Him and want to please Him. I study everything He said. Was I baptized? YES I WAS! I was baptized by immersion, but not for the remission of sins. Do I believe in progressive revelation? YES.

However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" (1 Corinthians 2:9)

There is much more to come!

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yahsway and I had a friendly talk on Facebook sometime back and made peace. I certainly have nothing against Jewish believers.

But like Betty, I think some people on this board teach Judaism as opposed to New Testament teaching. Most of those trying to teach it are not even Jewish. It doesn't matter if they are or not - it matters what they are teaching.

Legalism and Judaism are a gospel contrary to what we received.

6I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

11For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.


There is only one gospel, the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation has always been by grace, but the revelation of God's plan for salvation has progressed over time. There have been a number of different covenants with different requirements. And there is more to come in the Millennial Kingdom.

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