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John 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
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1 Corinthians 7
But God hath called us to peace.
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15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
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Corinthians 13:11 (King James Version)
11Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
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[QUOTE] HE MUST SEEK PEACE and pursue it.
But the way to seek peace and pursue it is what is important.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
But seek first the Kingdom, who Jesus is, and the righteous that comes from seeking Him first, and the rest will come with it. [/QUO
We do seek the Lord that is right.
We also must seek peace with all men and pursue it as well.
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HE MUST SEEK PEACE and pursue it.
But the way to seek peace and pursue it is what is important.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
But seek first the Kingdom, who Jesus is, and the righteous that comes from seeking Him first, and the rest will come with it.
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With God:
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
With men:
Hebrews 12:14
14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
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11Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.
12What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?
13Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
14Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
Psalms 34
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8Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. 9Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. 10For,
"Whoever would love life
and see good days
must keep his tongue from evil
and his lips from deceitful speech.
11He must turn from evil and do good;
HE MUST SEEK PEACE and pursue it.
HE MUST SEEK PEACE and pursue it.
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If I may ignore what you just said, "The Goal is Peace," then what are you after fond in Him? Having said that, we don't find peace by seeking peace. We find peace by seeking Him.
On that note, what do scriptures tell us to do? There is what we think they say, then one day we discover that it is not what we 'do' outside of believe. For to believe is to 'receive'. And that is what we are after, to receive. Peace is in the package.
And we don't minister to the Lord by our doing, but by our receiving. That is HIS design. That is HIS heart poured out to us. That is for our edification and comfort. Then we minister to the Lord with our praise and thanksgiving!
So, just to 'so-called' exault the Lord 'as a work', is not meaningful (though some are sure it is), but to exault the Lord as a 'fruit' of our joy (relationship) is. Therefore relationship, as HE intends it to be, is our goal. And to find it we even have to forget that that is our goal, and make HIM our goal, with no distractions. It will be rewarded. I do not see how it is critical to say that. In fact, it is 'critical' that I say that.
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Well, I want you to know that I will be praying for you Michael. I do believe that you have a heart to minister to people-- that's a good thing.
I am not a perfect woman but I do love the Lord and I do seek to please Him no matter what you think.
It's not your job to pass judgment on anyone and that's what I find you doing over and over again. That's why I originally Begged you to STOP. Stop telling Brothers and Sisters that their understanding is distorted, stop judging them and thinking that you have a greater handle on truth or understanding. The more I inquire of you-- the more you accuse me.
Who wants to listen to an accuser? That's all the ministering that I have gotten from you Michael.
It's not God's will that there be division among the believers-- in fact we know that that is the work of the enemy.
I confess, NOT the scriptures, OR ANY LACK of understanding of them, BUT your harsh comments and quickness to jump to conclusions and judgment-- they provoke me. I am going to pray about this and I request your prayers too!
Now I am gonna ask you to also to examine yourself before God. Do you have ANY faults? Maybe you might be doing somethings that have hurt your brothers and sisters?
The goal is peace.
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You said you wanted to minister Jesus right?
How is that dodging the truth?
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We can fling scriptures all day long but that is just a matter of coping and pasting.
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This just shows your lack of understanding. The scriptures which are 'flung' are accompanied with comprehension on the part of the paster. So all I see is an effort to 'dodge' the truth.
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Is this what you meant by Jesus "spilling" out of you?
Is this the goodness of God that brings men to salvation?
Is this preaching the gospel and ministering Jesus?
Isn't--I want to minister Jesus-- the title of your post here?
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Scroll back up to the top of this post and read your first entry.
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PLEASE STOP Michael!
Your words are confusing, offensive and rude. These are children of God that you are striking at every single day. I can hardly find a post where you have not attempted to slam a child of God.
You set yourself up for dissension.
That is not God's doing.
It is NOT edifying.
It is NOT instructional
It is NOT beneficial.
It is CONFUSION and is NOT of God.
If you are asking me to speak to something which only justifies error in someone, and on the basis of the notion of making them feel good, how in good conscience before God could I do that? According to Jesus, I would be 'scattering' abroad, rather than gathering with Him. One is not 'edified' if one is encouraged in a falsehood. Maybe you just have a different interpretation of the word edified! But it is not HIS interpretation. (There we go. You'll probably fault that comment as Christian whipping.)
As far as "It is NOT edifying.
It is NOT instructional
It is NOT beneficial."
What are you asking me to cater to? You came on board and struck up a conversation, and would bounce me off like a Sumo Wrestler if you were able, and over a couple of posts only. Then you follow it up with accusations of criticism. Perhaps you were looking for a fight. It seems very deliberate.
No kidding. Here is strange. We are in the atmosphere of a strange post-election, and it occurs to me that yours mimick the tactics one can expect from a socialist who is trying to impliment his/her agenda, to silence, or confuse people at places just like this, which is on Obama's 'todo' list. Totally wicked! And not recognizing it for what it is would be our fatal weakness.
Perhaps I have you confused with someone else. But let's just assume you are genuine. If so, you seem troubled. We can minister to that. The reason it is a discussion board is so that we can speak to each other, or not. Something 'good' could come of it. But it cannot be as long as you 'bully' a speaker, and accuse him of what you are blind to doing yourself. Or will you not admit that you have thrown some intense volleys, and beneath the belt? What Christian speaks to another that way, then accuses the one spoken to as though he or she is 'so innocent'? And if you are offended in me, don't speak to me. Rather, you have engaged me and then attempted to bash me (attempted). You singled me out, perhaps targeted me, and found fault with the message.
Well, I have your best interest at heart, though you may dissagree. And I only tell you the scriptures. I speak only of what is written. I do not make it up. And what is written will change someone; or one will destroy him/herself trying to make something out of it that it is not. And I am here to defend what I understand to be true. It is not as though I am dominating you. You can choose for yourself. So please, do not accuse me as though I am your worst nightmare. At least, I will not take it personally, even if you want me to.
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
Every once and a while someone like you comes around. There is a strong similarity. And you try to sound so righteous and correct, but what you do is to make me question whether you are truly His. And add to it this, you are hidden from view. No one can know who you really are. And you did not offer your testimony after you badgered me for mine. Then add to that that you listed that you are from USA. All these vagaries add up, together with your strange dissention. For I harm no one. And if anyone will listen, he or she will be edified, not hurt. So spare me lest the judgment of God find you unawares. You are not speaking by the Spirit of the Living God.
Well, according to your words, I am lost soul, a liar, full of strange dissension and in danger of the judgment of God. Is that correct?
Now that's edification.
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Maybe this can be a lesson for all readers here. This is just ugly and in no way glorifies Jesus. I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut (if you haven't noticed) and it seems no matter what I say, I am torn down.
I came here looking for fellowship but found it hard to focus because of harsh comments and I bit back.
I will ask for your prayers as I have been dealing with serious nerve problems--from surgery. This has added to my short fuse.
He is right we only know the person by what they write-- I'm not going to attempt to justify my being saved to anyone. I'm not going to be thought of as just another passer by that questions his edifying.
For what it's worth, I've learned and grown from reading and fellowshipping with you folks but I'm not going to take part in making this an impossible place to fellowship.
God Bless you all.
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Every once and a while someone like you comes around. There is a strong similarity. And you try to sound so righteous and correct, but what you do is to make me question whether you are truly His. And add to it this, you are hidden from view. No one can know who you really are. And you did not offer your testimony after you badgered me for mine. Then add to that that you listed that you are from USA. All these vagaries add up, together with your strange dissention. For I harm no one. And if anyone will listen, he or she will be edified, not hurt. So spare me lest the judgment of God find you unawares. You are not speaking by the Spirit of the Living God.
Well, according to your words, I am lost soul, a liar, full of strange dissension and in danger of the judgment of God. Is that correct?
Now that's edification.
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Every once and a while someone like you comes around. There is a strong similarity. And you try to sound so righteous and correct, but what you do is to make me question whether you are truly His. And add to it this, you are hidden from view. No one can know who you really are. And you did not offer your testimony after you badgered me for mine. Then add to that that you listed that you are from USA. All these vagaries add up, together with your strange dissention. For I harm no one. And if anyone will listen, he or she will be edified, not hurt. So spare me lest the judgment of God find you unawares. You are not speaking by the Spirit of the Living God.
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God bless ya! I am going to create a post just for you right now! Oh, and you opened by saying that you could not put it out of your mind. Then you told me your perception of what I am saying. But I have to assert, even if it bothers you, that your understanding is distorted. And the way this happens is that the natural man in the believer intercepts what enters the ear, and distorts it before it can be assimilated. I can speak to that, if I remember to. But I fully believe that you will continue to 'think' about this.
So, skipping over just a little bit, all I have told you is what Paul is saying. If you take offense, I am sorry. For that I have another post. But mind you, though I am beaten and ridiculed, by His Spirit, I am in it for you, even if you think I am only arrogant. And thanks for the post. I love you dearly in Christ. There are no defensive, or hard feelings here. But I have to dig in. The hour is late, and harsh times are coming.
PLEASE STOP Michael!
Your words are confusing, offensive and rude. These are children of God that you are striking at every single day. I can hardly find a post where you have not attempted to slam a child of God.
You set yourself up for dissension.
That is not God's doing.
It is NOT edifying.
It is NOT instructional
It is NOT beneficial.
It is CONFUSION and is NOT of God.
PLEASE STOP.
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bullfrog, they also spoke distainfully of Paul:
[LIST] 1Co 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
1Co 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
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MICHAEL...You Turkey ! You don't ever give up do you. Whatever we say, you just consider the source and keep on goin.....
I still say you are an arrogant snot. And my love for you is getting weaker.
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I know what you are saying bluefrog. And always, as standing in His presence, and before His face, I have learned never to ignore such criticism, though you may not observe any indication. But in fear of Him, I have long known to consider, lest I be found to be at fault. But I give you His love.
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MICHAEL...Sorry, I probably won't dwell on this situation much longer. God has blessed me with a short memory in my old age.
However, I fail to be pleased that you just skipped over my message to you. That is another problem. Skipping and assuming you knew what was said. I worded it in sincerety and caring.
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Hey oneinchrist, brother. You are correct. It did start that way. But I still haven't gotten the point across. But let me come back to ya, ok, and answer your post.
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God bless ya! I am going to create a post just for you right now! Oh, and you opened by saying that you could not put it out of your mind. Then you told me your perception of what I am saying. But I have to assert, even if it bothers you, that your understanding is distorted. And the way this happens is that the natural man in the believer intercepts what enters the ear, and distorts it before it can be assimilated. I can speak to that, if I remember to. But I fully believe that you will continue to 'think' about this.
So, skipping over just a little bit, all I have told you is what Paul is saying. If you take offense, I am sorry. For that I have another post. But mind you, though I am beaten and ridiculed, by His Spirit, I am in it for you, even if you think I am only arrogant. And thanks for the post. I love you dearly in Christ. There are no defensive, or hard feelings here. But I have to dig in. The hour is late, and harsh times are coming.
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MICHAEL...A love letter to you. with hugs.
Subject: I want to minister Jesus.
Even though I have tried to put our conversation out of my mind, it didn't happen. I think the others are zeroing in on your attitude in an effort to maybe help you improve on your acceptance to others. This same attitude is the bitter of the sweet that runs people off. For example, once a visitor to a church has been seen around long enough to approach, they are attacked by some Know-it-all who loves to tell visitors how terrible they are. That is exactly what Satan wants. He blinds the holierthanthou with a blindfold of superiority, thus running the visitor out the door. That is another knotch in his pitch fork. They leave angry and insulted. You on the other hand just figure that they are stupid and couldn't care less anyway, for some reason or another. You have been pretty much telling us the same thing and we are what you call unbelieving Christians.
We have told you that we are Christians but you fail to see it and keep throwing in buts. That could also be why you aren't accepted in churches. You say you are too religious. A church is a family of believers, not a building. You may think that all churches are wrong, misled and too ceremonial so you must feel that none deserve you. It sounds like you create your own reality. If that is so, then we must be your fault. If you have a problem with that then you need to take it up with yourself.
When voicing your disgust with a church you most likely get thrown out just like you threw the visitor out.
You mentioned Paul several time and how the low down unbelieving church members didn't pay attention like we should to you, and how they rebelled, like we do to you. But, in Paul's case Christianity was a new thang, don't ya know.
There were no bibles, organs, study guides, bells, etc. They had a Savior and that was new.
Hardly comparable to now.
We all know what you are trying to say and agree with you in part. Of course we should be Christ like, etc. Believe it or not, I think that all on board here are believers. How bout that? We read the bible, but you say we rationalize about it.
You say all churches do the same. You say we are carnal and don't understand like you do, and the bible backs you up.
We believe that you are trying to elevate Christ. I'm not sure how you do it by just sitting some place (or standing) but whatever.
Well, we try to elevate Christ also but you so far have refused to accept such a notion.
You claim that to date all Christians, except for you, are unbelievers. You say that we must sanctify every moment of our lives lest we be unbelievers. Whew!
I say you are an arrogant snot. But we love ya anyway.
rivit!
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Michael,
I have been here on this site with you for a while now. I believe that you have a heart for the Lord. The discussion that you are having with Found in Him is so very similar to the way that we began---remember? There is really only 1 point that I would really like to bring up with you. I understand what you are trying to teach us about surrender......and I completely agree with you about choosing to make ourselves 100% available for the Lords work in our lives...."its your will Lord, not mine".....consecrating our lives to God. But the point I want to stress once again is............
that our faith is also tested by our response to the revealed word. You see, it seems to me that you describe one facet of our faith, which, I do believe is very important, but the facet that I am trying to describe has to do with our appropriation of the word itself. Another way to explain what I am trying to say is this......
When I read the Word of God I find Gods will for my life and I am called to believe it and appropriate it into my life.........when I surrender without reservation, as you say, I discover my ministry.
All in all, what I am trying to say is that what you are trying to describe to us, I believe, is the way by which we discover Gods specific calling for our lives........but what I am trying to describe is the appropriation of Gods Word which also leads to glorifying God and sanctifying the Lords Name.
Do you understand what I am saying, Michael?
With love in Christ, Daniel
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My dream was aboard ship. I seen feet with holes in them. I wanted to see more. As my Mind tried to see more it couldn't but eventually a sign was focused in at knee level that had the words "FOLLOW ME" on it.
I was being called and didnt know it.
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Michael Harrison wrote quote:
So the unyielded is an unbeliever, but not as one who is unregenerated, i.e. lost.
Another oxymoron, unbelievers are NEVER regenerated, only believers ARE regenerated.
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Gosh, it's like trying to pin down a greased piglet.
Really. LOL
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I can assure you Brother that we are ON OUR OWN.
My gosh, it's like tryin to pin down a greased piglet.
![[1zhelp]](graemlins/1zhelp.gif) me Dear Jesus!
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Gotta reload his weapons carrier.
Spoze we outa notify Homeland Security?
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I have to take a break Found In Him. I have to do some work around here. But my hiney is getting sore, so I need to stand up. And I have to cook for my dad. He is on oxygen and doesn't have much energy to expend. So I'll catch ya, God Bless, perhaps tonight, or maybe later tomorrow.
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THANK YOU!
That is what I wanted to hear.
Can you tell me more of how Jesus communes with you daily?
He is the best friend anyone could ever have isn't He?
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I was a hippie. I had a girlfriend. She was a lucky catch for a shy guy like me. But I covered my shyness by lookin, and acting cool. She must have been pretty shallow, because she bought into it.
She had a neighbor. Her neighbor had been a missionary. The neighbors parents were missionaries. They lived in Texas, and were affiliated with the school of Linguistics in Duncanvill Texas. (That is basically Dallas.)
Anyway, my girlfriend, though we were living as hippies, in sin, was compelled to tell me about Jesus a few times. She wanted me to meet her neighbor. One day she took me to the door, and I looked into the eyes of Grace. That was the missionary's name. It was as though I was beholding an angel. I couldn't describe it. Neither could I understand it. But one day, soon after meeting her, I went to her, her being an adult, to possibly find help with my relationship with my girlfriend. I suppose she was surprised to see me. She allowed me in, and asked me if I wanted to sit. She motioned towards the sofa.
I sat, as she went back to the front door to close it. From her being at the front door to when she joined me is a blank. All I know is that the first words out of her mouth, and the only words out of her mouth were, "Have you ever accepted Jesus Christ as your savior." My jaw dropped. But curiously, even as I was aware of this (it was almost as if I was beside myself), I heard myself say, no! She said, "Would you like to?" I said yes!
When Jesus came into my heart, HE was real. Life changed for me that day. But someone said, "There is more." I cannot say who, or when. Perhaps it was her, on that day.
My girlfriend asked me if I wanted to go to a worship and praise singing at a local church. I went. It was an old church. It seemed dark. I sat through the event. At the end these guys asked if anybody needed prayer, and some responded, to which they were led to the back.
I wandered back. I didn't go intentionally, as though seeking anything.
They prayed for me to receive 'Pentecost', basically. What happened thereafter cannot find an avenue through words. Heaven came down upon me. The Blood of Jesus covered me from head to toe. The Spirit of God filled my spirit, and at their prompting I uttered in an unknown language. It was very real. And I stood up drunkenly, as it is written, "Be not 'drunk' with wine, but be filled with the Holy Spirit." And I had to literally lean on someone to each side of me to be escorted to the pews.
I didn't come down from joy for weeks. It was three days before I realized that I hadn't touched a cigarette!
It would not be so easy to break the habit when I once again decided, against good sense, to pick one up again. I backslid. I spent a few years in Ecclastical venturing, wherein I am sure I could have lost my soul if I had died. I took a job at a Cryrogenics compund, pumping gasses into cylinders. It was the kind of place where one does not work unless he is saved. (They were also a Police Supply.)
Waymon Waters was a Church of God Christian, and part Indian. He must have prayed. But one day I went in and told him I had repented, and rededicated my life to the Lord. He related to me that he was prepared for the very next day, that we would get on our knees, right there in that dirty floor and pray. But he didn't get the chance.
Things progressed. I was reading the word, and prayerfully seeking God. Things would happen. One day the Spirit was on me and I would cry and cry, and when I thought I would stop, I would cry. And I was experiencing His embrace. It was a reunion.
But I had a dream one night. They were in the boat. It was tossed in a storm, and the disciple said, "Lord, save me!" It was like something drawn in a comic strip. In the baloon over the top of the top what would be the comic strip frame, where the words that the characters would be speaking would be placed, the word "Lord" raised up in relief.
When I woke up in the morning I had a new realzation. It was somehow related to the dream.
For no particular reason I went to my church, a Charismatic Lutheran church, and in the lobby where the tracts are, I picked up a few things. One was, "The Key to Everything," by Norman Grubb. The other was, "Perils of the victorious life," by Charles Trumbull. And what was in them validated something I had just learned, and that something was Sanctification, the life that IS Christ. Of such have you been reading, if you have read my posts.
So, I was saved by 'Grace'. Get it? My spiritual mom's name was Grace. God has no accidents, dear one. I experienced the infilling of the Holy Spirit as a separate, and enlightening event. But something was still lacking in my faith, and that came in the form of understanding; understanding that is the revelation of being under the Cross. That is why I say that when you identify with the word the way it is written, then you understand. Until then, you may be saved, but you wander in the wilderness.
Obedience of the 'heart' is what is needed.
Christ IN my life, but Christ AS my life.
Amen! Thy glory is forevermore. Amen!
So,
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I want to minister Jesus. And when people are able to touch or perceive Jesus because I am 'close enough' to Him in understanding, and presence, that HE spills over, then they will reach out to Him. It needs no explaining. He will 'draw' them if I have drawn nigh to Him. He will 'bear witness' of Himself through me if I have obeyed the commandment of realizing Him in first place, according to His instruction. In other words, if I have done what is the right thing first, rather than fool myself, He will fill me. Then HE will be real, not contrived, or manufactured as though my good intentions are supposed to work for Him that which what only HE accomplishes, like to touch the spirit of someone with His realness, to widen someone's eyes with HIS genuineness. But unfortunately, in the world of supposed 'witness' for Him, zeal, pushes aside real. Real is needed where zeal has impeded. ![[Prayer]](graemlins/prayer.gif)
Michael,
You started this post right? The title is:
I want to minister Jesus!
I have asked you all day long to minister Jesus to me but you will not. Instead you have accused me. Is that ministering Jesus?
I have asked you to give your personal testimony, but you have not. How do you think you are ministering? Anyone can quote scripture.
Where is Jesus in your life Michael?
I am not accusing you but asking you.
HOW HAS JESUS SAVED YOU?
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um, no.
I'm just asking for the real deal here.
We can fling scriptures all day long but that is just a matter of coping and pasting.
Without accusing my intentions, can you just tell me about how Jesus saved you and how He changed your life?
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I am giving my personal testimony, here and now. You have been reading it. How is it that you ask me for it? Moreover I tell others of Jesus. What makes you challenge me, to assume I don't. Moreover, HE who is within me bears witness of HIMSELF. Does HE in you. Or is your chatter a substitute?
Have you not been reading what I have posted? Or are you reading 'past' it?
Do you boast in your strengths? Does that glorify God? Here is a word for your misplaced inquisitiveness: - 2Co 11:18 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.
2Co 11:19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are [so]wise.
What was the key here? He said that he would 'depart' from good sense and 'glory' after the flesh. The rest of the passages following are also worth reading. But he was saying that if he were to boast, he would have a lot to boast of. But he did not elevate himself, as your question seems to accomodate you.
So, going back to the top of the post, let me reiterate: I am giving my personal testimony, here and now. You have been reading it. How is it that you ask me for it? For this I cannot comprehend? For evidently you have God in a box, and you have and agenda that sets your expectation by which you measure others.
[LIST] 2Co 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Do you still think to scour me?
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Please tell me about your personal encounter with Jesus?
Jesus told those who encountered Him time and time again to go and tell others what He had done for them.
Jesus is glorified in our personal testimony.
Please tell me about your personal encounter with Jesus?
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If I had a personal adaptation, then would I be short of a goal. I would in fact be abiding in the flesh, and seeing with rosy eyes, which are only tinted glasses. And I would be lying to myself. If my understanding doesn't match the word, identically, then my understanding is darkened. And that is what people ‘settle’ for.
It can only be expressed well as it is already expressed as it should be:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light...
as he is in the light...
we have fellowship one with another
and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
cleanseth us
from all sin.
![[type]](graemlins/type.gif) And by this manner, we have 'fellowship' with each other. That is justification, sanctification, and it is LIFE, more abundantly. It is Christ our Life. It is Christ ‘as’ our life, as opposed to our trying to live for Him.
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I know what the word of God says in regards to the blood of Jesus...but what does it mean to you personally?
In your words.
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1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light...
as he is in the light...
we have fellowship one with another
and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
cleanseth us
from all sin.
And by this manner, we have 'fellowship' with each other. That is justification, sanctification, and it is LIFE, more abundantly.
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Praise The Lord!
What does the blood of Jesus mean to you? It means life, justification, hope, His sacrifice and so much more to me.
What does it mean to you?
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Found In Him:
He ministers to me His presence, and knowledge of His will, concern for others, and that's the real deal. If HE did nothing more, oh so blessed I'd be, to know HIM in the Spirit, and be able to see!
What would you like to know. I would remind you that if one were to look at Paul, he or she would not see any outward signs that he was blessed. But he contained more of God through his sufferings, than anyone could perceive.
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It would be so ![[pound]](graemlins/pound.gif) if it were not so ![[Frown]](frown.gif) so don't be ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif) and don't be ![[Mad]](mad.gif) but in the Lord, just be ![[youpi]](graemlins/youpi.gif) ![[dance]](graemlins/dance1.gif) ![[hyper]](graemlins/hyper.gif) ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif)
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What has Jesus done in your life Michael? Minister to me what He has done for you please.
Thank you.
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Doubtful Disputations can try the patience. I'd rather try to convince a goat that it's not a sheep.
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I am blessed by your comments. ![[Kiss]](graemlins/Kiss.gif)
That is exactly what it was like for Paul. That was exactly..... Jesus is not looking at our 'performance' to pick it to pieces, or for the opportunity to say, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant," and elevate one above another. He is looking for us to lay hold of a particular comprehension of HIM. And the epistles are written for our admonition so that we might be able to do that. But people see only what they think they are supplsed to 'do', and do not that which HE seeks of them.
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And one cannot do anything by Him until he is found to be truly humbled; broken.
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Bluefrog, a forum like this (or even to write an article in a magazine, or write a sermon) will exercise one tediously, as one labors to give the background, and setup what he or she wants to say so that it will be understood. So that accounts for a lot of the bantering back and forth. Hence, that is why this is called "a discussion board."
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You didn't tell her you had prayed, so you didn't minister to the Lord. You asked him to help and He did. Now, if you call that ministering to the Lord and if it is, then I am wrong.
Now I ask you, did the Lord 'touch' the lady? If HE did, that was ministering! ![[Wink]](wink.gif) I didn't minister to the Lord, but the Lord TO THE LADY! And that is the meaning of ministering.
"I am the vine, ye are the branch, and ye can do nothing except ye 'abide' in me (for you eden, that means that in any given moment, if you are sanctified.... )"
We minister 'to' the Lord, by following HIS will. And it was HIS will that day, and that hour to spare that woman. Only I should've glorified the Lord by speaking to her.
Now if you have no afflictions, and are a strong person, then you are better than me, and a lot of other people, no? But my bible tells me, "Blessed are the meek," and "those who mourn, for they shall be comforted." So thank God I am not strong. Thank God!
And here is a message that I relate often on this board, that it is NOT what you DO 'FOR' God. That is an attempt to merit favor, or recognition. And it does not come out of 'knowing' Him, HIS thoughts, feelings, and desires. It comes out of piousness, which should be repented of. For man can gain no favor from what he does 'for' God, but only 'by' Him.
And here is another angle. One cannot do what it pleases him to do, even if it is seemingly noble and holy, and expect God to be satisfied. That was the sin of Cain. For he did what he wanted, and fully expected God to be satisfied. But when God was not, his true condition was revealed when he slew his brother, Able. It is something for everyone claiming to be a believer, to think about.
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