|
Author
|
Topic: is this Mary the mother of Yahshua-Jesus?
|
epouraniois
unregistered
|
posted
I beleive that the same God who upholds the universe and all things by the power of His word has spoken in divers ways in sundry times, that every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God is Holy, purified as silver is purified, 7 times, making them fit as Holy Words of Earth.
I believe that the God who upholds all things by the power of His word can insure we receive an accurate copy of His Word, keeping them as He Wills. I believe that only one Book is not owned by man, copyrighted.
It is the Authorized King James Version. Do littel words make a difference. As adults, it becomes appearent how important the correct words are in communication even the things of this world, how much more then when providing us with His understanding. How shall we understand when then, if we cannot even look up His words due to a corrupt version, or any version which doesn't have the abillity to look them up in a good concordance.
In fact and in truth, if we want to receive the most from His Word, it is apparent that we must look to the words He chose to use in writing them in the first place. Obviously, He has chosen Hebrew, Chaldean, Aramaic, and Greek. Add idiomatic language and Figures of speech to this, and we have real issues to overcome if we are going to receive His Holy and Pure Words as it is, add to that some other version which has altered His words, and our inability can be nothing but expotentially removed from most if not all deeper truths, and if we want the best things that God has to offer, and we should, then we shall have to do some serious digging.
IP: Logged | 
|
|
BORN AGAIN
unregistered
|
posted
Hey, brother Forever His, how are you, and how are things with, is it Melissa?
epouraniois writesYour KJV is not the same as mine, but yes, that is the same Mary, mother of Jesus the Christ. Look at the importance of the word where yours differs from mine:
In verse 56, a keyword for witness is , "Among WHICH...", denotes a class, referring to v55.
Zebedee referrs back to 4. 21, and is Aramaic. {bold by BORN AGAIN}[/quote]Yes, you are right, epouraniois[/b], I should call my writing (KJV, modified) because I do tend to change thee, thy, thine, to you and your, and I change "which" to "who" if the "which" was talking about a "person" or "Israel".
In that you accurately and fairly point out that my KJV therefore no longer reads exactly the same.
Are you saying chaning "which" to "who" was Greek-wise or other-wise inappropriate here? Please clarify.
May the LORD God of Israel bless all who participate on this CBBS, I am BORN AGAIN by the ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) of Yahshua-Jesus
IP: Logged |
|
|
Forever His
Advanced Member
Member # 25
|
posted
Hi Born Again. really nice to see you... this verse also agrees with Mark.. I hope that it may help..
Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us?
So I would say that it is clear that Mary is Jesus mother... now I would say that her and Joeseph may have had more children... or... the other option was that Joeseph may have have been a widdower and had children from before..... that we don't know.. but one thing we do know. Jesus had brothers and sisters
God Bless you!!!
Forever His
Posts: 719 | Registered: Jun 2002
| IP: Logged |
|
|
epouraniois
unregistered
|
posted
Your KJV is not the same as mine, but yes, that is the same Mary, mother of Jesus the Christ. Look at the importance of the word where yours differs from mine:
In verse 56, a keyword for witness is , "Among WHICH...", denotes a class, referring to v55.
Zebedee referrs back to 4. 21, and is Aramaic.
ARAMAIC was Hebrew, as it was developed during and after the Captivity in Babylon (*1).
There were two branches, known roughly as Eastern (which is Chaldee), and Western (Mesopotamian, or Palestinian).
This latter was known also as Syriac; and the Greeks used "Syrian" as an abbreviation for Assyrian. This was perpetuated by the early Christians. Syriac flourished till the seventh century A.D. In the eighth and ninth it was overtaken by the Arabic; and by the thirteenth century it had disappeared. We have already noted that certain parts of the O.T. are written in Chaldee (or Eastern Aramaic) : viz. Ezra 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26; Dan. 2:4-7:28. Cp. also 2Kings 18:26.
Aramaic is of three kinds :-- 1. Jerusalem. 2. Samaritan. 3. Galilean.
Of these, Jerusalem might be compared with High German, and the other two with Low German.
There are many Aramaic words preserved in the Greek of the N.T., and most of the commentators call attention to a few of them; but, from the books cited below, we are able to present a more or less complete list of the examples to which attention is called in the notes of The Companion Bible (*2).
1. Abba (*3). Mark 14:36. Rom. 8:15. Gal. 4:6.
2. Ainias. Acts 9:33, 34.
3. Akeldama. Acts 1:19. Akeldamach (LA). Acheldamach (T Tr.). Hacheldamach (WH). See Ap. 161. I. Aram. Hakal dema', or Hakal demah.
4. Alphaios. Matt. 10:3. Mark 2:14; 3:18. Luke 6:15. Acts 1:13.
5. Annas. Luke 3:2. John 18:13, 24. Acts 4:6.
6. Bar-abbas. Matt. 27:16, 17, 20, 21, 26. Mark 15:7, 11, 15. Luke 23:18. John 18:40, 40.
7. Bartholomaios. Matt. 10:3. Mark 3:18. Luke 6:14. Acts 1:13.
8. Bar-iesous. Acts 13:6.
9. Bar-iona. Matt. 16:17. See No. 27, below.
10. Bar-nabas. Acts 4:36, &c. 1Cor. 9:6. Gal. 2:1, 9, 13. Col. 4:10.
11. Bar-sabas. Acts 1:23; 15:22 (Barsabbas all the texts).
12. Bar-timaios. Mark 10:46.
13. Beel-zeboul. Matt. 10:25; 12:24, 27. Mark 3:22. Luke 11:15, 18, 19.
14. Bethesda. John 5:2. (Bethzatha, T WH; Bethsaida, or Bethzather, L EH Rm.)
15. Bethsaida. Matt. 11:21. Mark 6:45; 8:22. Luke 9:10; 10:13. John 1:44; 12:21.
16. Bethphage. Matt. 21:1. Mark 11:1. Luke 19:29.
17. Boanerges. Mark 3:17. (Boanerges, L T Tr. A WH.)
18. Gethsemanei. Matt. 26:36. Mark 14:32.
19. Golgotha. Matt. 27:33. Mark 15:22. John 19:17.
20. Eloi. Mark 15:34.
21. Ephphatha. Mark 7:34.
22. Zakchaios. Luke 19:2, 5, 8.
23. Zebedaios. Matt. 4:21, 21; 10:2; 20:20; 26:37; 27:56. Mark 1:19, 10; 3:17; 10:35. Luke 5:10. John 21:2.
24. Eli. Matt. 27:46. (Elei (voc.), T WH m.; Eloi WH.)
25. Thaddaios. Matt. 10:3. Mark 3:18.
26. Thomas. Matt. 10:3. Mark 3:18. Luke 6:15. John 11:16; 14:5; 20:24, 26, 27, 28, 29; 21:2. Acts 1:13.
27. Ioannes. John 1:42; 21:15, 16, 17. (Ioanes, Tr. WH.) See Bar-iona. (Iona being a contraction of Ioana.)
28. Kephas. John 1:42. 1Cor. 1:12; 3:22; 9:5; 15:5. Gal. 2:9.
29. Kleopas. Luke 24:18.
30. Klopas. John 19:25.
31. Lama. Matt. 27:46. Mark 15:34. (Lema, L. Lema, T Tr. A WH).
32. Mammonas. Matt. 6:24. Luke 16:9, 11, 13. (Mamonas, L T Tr. A WH.)
33. Maran-atha. 1Cor. 16:22 ( = Our Lord, come!). Aram. Marana' tha'.
34. Martha. Luke 10:38, 40, 41. John 11:1, &c.
35. Mattaios. Matt. 9:9; 10:3. Mark 3:18. Luke 6:15. Acts 1:13, 26. (All the critics spell it Maththaios.)
36. Nazareth (-et). Matt. 2:23; 4:13 (Nazara, T Tr. A WH); 21:11. Mark 1:9. Luke 1:26; 2:4, 39, 51; 4:16 (Nazara. Omit the Art. L T Tr. A WH and R.) John 1:45, 46. Acs 10:38.
37. Pascha. Matt. 26:2, 17, 18, 19. Mark 14:1, 12, 12, 14, 16. Luke 2:41; 22:1, 7, 8, 11, 13, 15. John 2:13, 23; 6:4; 11:55, 55; 12:1; 13:1; 18:28, 39; 19:14. Acts 12:4. 1Cor. 5:7. Heb. 11:28. The Hebrew is pesak.
38. Rabboni, Rabbouni (Rabbonei, WH). Mark 10:51. John 20:16.
39. Raka. Matt. 5:22. (Reyka' is an abbreviation of Reykan.)
40. Sabachthani. Matt. 27:46. Mark 15:34. (Sabachthanei, T Tr. WH.)
41. Sabbata (Aram. sabbata'). Heb. shabbath. Matt. 12:1, 5, 10, 11, 12, &c.
42. Tabitha. Acts 9:36, 40.
43. Talitha kumi. Mark 5:41. (In galilaean Aramaic it was talitha' kumi.)
44. Hosanna (in Aram. = Save us; in Heb. = Help us). Matt. 21:9, 9, 15. Mark 11:9, 10. John 12:13.
(*1) It is so called because it was the language of Aram, or Mesopotamia, which is Greek for Aram Naharaim = Aram between the two rivers (Gen. 24:10. Deut. 23:4. Judg. 3:8. Ps. 60, title). It is still called "The Island". There were other Arams beside this : (2) Aram Dammasek (north-east of Palestine), or simply Aram, because best know to Israel (2Sam. 8:5. Isa. 7:8; 17:3. Amos 1:5); (3) Aram Zobah (not far from Damascus and Hamath), under Saul and David (1Sam. 14:47. 2Sam. 8:3); (4) Aram Beth-rehob (N. Galilee, Ap. 169), 2Sam. 10:6; (5) Aram Maachah (1Chron. 19:6, 7); (6) Aram Geshur (2Sam. 15:8).
(*2) Further information may be found in the following works :-- AD. NEUBAUER : On the dialects spoken in Palestine in the time of Christ, in Studia Biblica ... by members of the University of Oxford. Vol. I, pp. 39-74. Oxford, 1885. F.W.J. DILLOO : De moedertaal venounzen heere Jesus Christus en van zyne Apostelen, p. 70. Amsterdam, 1886. ARNOLD MEYER : Jesu Mutter-Sprache. Leipzig, 1896. G. DALMAN : Die Worte Jesu, mit Berucksichtigung des nathkanonischen judischen Schrifttums und der aram. Sprache erortert. Vol. I. Leipzig, 1898. Also Grammatik des judisch-palastinischen Aramaisch. 2. Auflage. Leipzig, 1905. In the Index of Greek words.
*So this verses speaking of the two Marys' are speaking of a specific prophetic seedline. That a strong point being told to us*
IP: Logged |
|
|
BORN AGAIN
unregistered
|
posted
Is this Mary the mother of Yahshua-Jesus?
Matthew 27 (KJV)
55 And many women were there looking on from far off, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him.
56 Among whom was Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.
Is this Mary the mother of James and Joses the same as the mother of Yahshua-Jesus, whose brothers were named James and Joses?
Mark 6 (KJV)
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James and Joses, and of Juda and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
thank you, I thank the LORD God of Israel for choosing me. In Yahshua-Jesus's Name I am BORN AGAIN by the
IP: Logged |
|
|
|
Printer-friendly view of this topic
