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epouraniois
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Oh definately, all the tribes were well aware of who the enemy was. When they were in the wilderness, that bull, that golden calf, well, they weren't really worshiping a golden calf. That image was only a symbol for something else. They use images. In the KJV, they worshiped in groves, groves is correctly translated Asherah in the RV.

Fallen angels:
Genesis
6:1,2. The fallen angels: ‘sons of God’.
6:3. Fallen Adam, and his years.
The total 930 and the last 120.
6:4-7. The progeny of the fallen angels, and their
threatened destruction. The Nephilim.
6:8. Noah and his possession of ‘grace’.

What is the significance of the words ‘and also after that’? (Gen. 6:4).

2 Peter 2:4-6

‘For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; and spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly’.

Jude 6,7

‘And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire’.

These angels ‘left their own habitation’. There are two words that are translated ‘to leave’ in the New Testament. One aphiemi, which means ‘to send away or dismiss’, the other, various compounds of leipo, which mean lack, forsake, abandon, leave behind. The word used by Jude is apoleipo ‘to leave away from one’s self, to leave behind’. Paul uses the word of ‘the cloak’ that he had left at Troas (2 Tim. 4:13), and of Trophimus, who had been left at Miletum, sick (2 Tim. 4:20). The word translated ‘habitation’ is oiketerion, a derivative of oikos ‘a house’ or ‘a home’, and occurs in 2 Corinthians 5:2 where it refers to the resurrection body:

‘For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house (oiketerion) which is from heaven’.


Remember, when they were given the land, they sent 12 spies, came back saying the giants made them look like grasshoppers.

Anakim
Kenites
Kenizzites
Kadmonites
Hittites
Perizzites
Rephaims
Amorites
Canaanites
Girgashites
Jebusites

Basically, when they sought their number among the registry, every one in Israel new there were none of the tribe of Levi. They new they had given over God for the god of this world and his chidren.

Christ said they sat in Moses' seat, the seat of the Law. Bad!

What were they doing in those groves?

Asherah

This Is Appendix 42 From The Companion Bible.

The word 'Asherah is from the root 'ashar, to be straight, erect, or upright. From this comes the meaning, in a moral sense, to be upright, hence, to prosper or be happy. The 'Asherah was so called because it was something set upright or erect in the ground, and worshipped. The word occurs forty times, and only a careful study of each passage will give a correct view.
Compared with this, all that men may think or say about the 'Asherah is of little value. The word is always rendered grove or groves in the Authorized Version; and always left as a proper name in the Revised Version.
From a conspectus of the passages, we learn that it was either a living tree with the top cut off, and the stump or trunk fashioned into a certain shape (Deuteronomy 16:21); or it was artificially fashioned and set erect in the ground (Isaiah 17:8. 1 Kings 14:15; 16:33). It was made of wood (Judges 6:26) or stone. What the shape was is indicated in 1 Kings 15:13, and 2 Chronicles 15:16, where in the Authorized Version. "an idol in a grove", should be (as in the Revised Version) "an abominable image for an 'Asherah". It could be "cut down" (Exodus 34:13, the first occurrence of the word); "plucked up" (Micah 5:14); "burnt" (Deuteronomy 12:3); or "broken in pieces" (2 Chronicles 34:4).
It is often coupled with mazzevoth, or stone "pillars" (Revised Version) (and rendered images in Authorized Version), connected with Baal-worship.
That it could not have been in a "grove" is clear from 2 Kings 17:10, where it is forbidden to set one up "under any green tree".
While it is distinguished from Ashtoreth the goddess, it is yet associated with that goddess, Ashtoreth being representative of the productive (or passive) principle of life; and Baal being representative of the generative (or active) principle.
The image which represents the Phoenician Ashtoreth of Paphos, as the sole object of worship in her temple, was an upright block of stone, anointed with oil, and covered with an embroidered cloth.
Such stones are to be met with all over the Semitic world; especially in Babylonia, in Syria, Palestine and Arabia. Even the Mahommedan sacred stone (kaaba) at Mecca remains an object of reverence.
The place Beth-el was so called because of its anointed stone. There was another Beth-el in Northern Israel.

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epouraniois writes
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literally, they were saying, you are Satan.
Yes, especially when one calls him Lucifer-Satan, because the house of Judah must have been quite aware of the prophecies of Ezekiel 45 concerning the holy or "set-apart" oblation of land by Jerusalem.

Could the people of Judah have known from the OT that Lucifer-Satan was interested in becoming the Prince of that holy oblation of land next to Jerusalem, so that when they saw Yahshua-Jesus, they instead were saying, "Nay, but you are Beelzebub", meaning Lucifer-Satan, "trying to deceive us":

Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow does not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Matthew 10:25
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

From the OT, could the house of Judah have known or thought that much, relating it to that holy oblation of land of Ezekiel 45, or is there nothing in the OT relating to such a coming battle between Lucifer-Satan and Yahshua-Jesus for who will sit in the holy oblation of land in Israel next to Jerusalem?

God bless, [Cross] BORN AGAIN

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literally, they were saying, you are Satan. And for this the Christ told them that to say the work of the HS was the work of Satan is unforgivable. furthermore, He told them they weren't even making any since, is Satan divided, can Satan cast out Satan? *paraphrasing*. He told them they could call Him any name they wanted, do to Him whatever they wanted, and that would be forgiven, but to say that they work of the HS through Christ Himself is Satan, well, that is unforgivable. That means it is highly dubious that anyone at this time can commit the unpardonable sin. It seems to me that the Christ and Lord Jesus would have to be present doing the work of the HS before the unpardonable sin could be committed.

I want to take a moment to point out how Greek is translated to English. The example is found in my words, "the Christ and Lord Jesus".

The word 'and' is the Greek word 'kai'. It can be used as a copulative, but here, like in many many places in Scripture, I have used 'and' here as an explicative.

All that means, is that it doesn't mean something plus something. It means something, EVEN, this.

That is why there is only one throne in Revelation. God and the Lamb therefore, = God even the Lamb. Better would be for English readers, God who is the Lamb. Same thing in the Greek.
When used

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Originally posted by BORN AGAIN:
They had acknowledge that "only God can heal" and therefore by saying "this man blasphemes", they might as well have said instead, "I don't believe that you are not the Son of God".
God bless, [Cross] BORN AGAIN

It must have really grieved Jesus to think that they would accuse him of blaspheming his own Father, Almighty God. It also shows one of the many times he was misunderstood, if they inferred that he was not the Son of God.
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Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Notice "us" and "our".
Jesus was part of the GodHead and involved from the beginining
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OT & NT statements for edification:

The Bible says that:

The heavens are the work of God's hands (Ps 102:25
The heavens are the work of Jesus hand (Heb 1:10)

God laid the foundations of the earth (Is 48:13)
Jesus laid the foundations of the earth (Heb 1:10)

God is our judge (Ps 50:6, Eccl 12:14)
Jesus is our judge ( 2 Tim 4:1, Rev 20:12)

God is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22)
Jesus (the Lamb) is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22)

God is the alpha & omega (Rev 1:8)
Jesus is the alpha & omega (Rev 22:13)

God is the first and last (Is 44:6, 48:12)
Jesus is the first and last (Rev 22:13)

God is the beginning and the end (Rev 21:6)
Jesus is the beginning and the end (Rev 22:13)

Only God can forgive sins (Lk 5:21)
Jesus forgives sins (Lk 5:20)

God is our hope (Ps 71:5)
Jesus is our hope (1 Tim 1:11)

God is eternal (Deut 33:27)
Jesus is eternal (Is 9:6, Heb 1:10,11)

God will come with all the holy ones (Zech 14:5)
Jesus will come with all the holy ones (1 Thess 3:13)

Only God is our savior (Is 43:11)
Jesus is our savior (Tit 2:13, 2 Pet 1:1)

God is the creator of the universe (Is 44:24, Jer 27:5)
Jesus is the creator of the universe (Jn 1:3)

To God, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Is 45:22,23)
To Jesus, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Phil 2:10,11)

God is the same and his years will have no end (Ps 102:27)
Jesus is the same and his years will have no end (Heb 1:12)

God is immutable (Mal 3:6)
Jesus is immutable (Heb 13:8)

God is over all (Ps 97:9)
Jesus is over all (Jn 3:31)

The spirit of God dwells in us (Rom 8:9)
The spirit of Jesus dwells in us (Gal 4:6)

God is a stone of offense and a stumbling block (Is 8:14)
Jesus is a stone of offence and a stumbling block (1 Pet 2:8)

God was valued at 30 pieces of silver (Zech 11:12,13)
Jesus was valued at 30 pieces of silver (Mt 26:14-16)

God is our shepherd (Ps 23:1)
Jesus is our shepherd (Jn 10:11, 1 Pet 5:4, Heb 13:20)

God is Mighty God (Is 10:21)
Jesus is Mighty God (Is 9:6)

God is Lord of Lords (Deut 10:17, Ps 136:3)
Jesus is Lord of Lords (Rev 17:14)

God is our only Rock (Is 44:8, Ps 18:2, 94:22)
Jesus is our rock (1 Cor 10:4)

God is our owner (Is 54:5)
Jesus is our only owner (Jude 4)

No one can snatch us out of God's hand (Deut 32:39)
No one can snatch us out of Jesus hand (Jn 10:28)

God is the horn of salvation (2 Sam 22:3)
Jesus is the horn of salvation (Lk 1:68,69)

God renders according to our works (Ps 62:12)
Jesus renders according to our works (Mt 16:27, Rev 22:12)

God loves and corrects (Prov 3:12)
Jesus loves and corrects (Rev 3:19)

God's words will stand forever (Is 40:8)
Jesus words will stand forever (Mt 24:35)

God is the eternal light (Is 60:19)
Jesus is the eternal light (Jn 8:12, Rev 21:3)

God seeks to save the lost (Ez 34:16)
Jesus seeks to save the lost (Lk 19:10)

Paul is a slave of God (Tit 1:1)
Paul is a slave of Jesus (Rom 1:1)

God raised Jesus from the dead (Gal 1:1)
Jesus raised himself from the dead (Jn 2:19-21)

God is our guide (Ps 48:14)
Jesus is our guide (Lk 1:79)

God is our deliverer (Ps 70:5, 2 Sam 22:2)
Jesus is our deliverer (Rom 11:26)

God is called God (Is 44:8)
Jesus is called God (Is 9:6, Jn 20:28)

God is the King of Israel (Is 44:6)
Jesus is the King of Israel (Mt 27:42, Jn 1:19)

Since the Bible doesn't contradict itself, and God cannotlie, how can all these things be true if Jesus is not God?

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GOD THE SON
Oscar M. Baker
...let us go to Isa. 45 for some background.
Elohim is the word for God in Gen. 1:1. El is God in contrast to the gods of the heathen. See it in Gen. 14:18. Jehovah is the I AM that was revealed to Moses at the burning bush. Check these with the Companion Bible and read Appendix 4.
Isaiah 45:1. THUS SAITH JEHOVAH...
3. I, JEHOVAH ... AM THE ELOHIM OF ISRAEL.
5. I AM JEHOVAH ... THERE IS NO ELOHIM BESIDE ME.
6. I AM JEHOVAH, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.
7. I, JEHOVAH DO ALL THESE THINGS.
8. I, JEHOVAH HAVE CREATED IT.
11. THUS SAITH JEHOVAH, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL,
AND HIS MAKER.
13. SAITH THE JEHOVAH OF HOSTS.
14. THUS SAITH JEHOVAH. SURELY EL IS IN THEE;
AND THERE IS NONE ELSE, THERE IS NO ELOHIM.
15. VERILY THOU ARE AN EL THAT HIDEST
THYSELF, 0 ELOHIM OF ISRAEL, THE SAVIOUR.
17. BUT ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED IN JEHOVAH.
18. FOR THUS SAITH JEHOVAH THAT CREATED THE
HEAVENS; ELOHIM HIMSELF THAT FORMED THE
EARTH AND MADE IT... I AM JEHOVAH; AND
THERE IS NONE ELSE.
19. I, JEHOVAH SPEAK RIGHTEOUSNESS.
21. HAVE NOT I, JEHOVAH? AND THERE IS NO
ELOHIM BESIDE ME; A JUST EL AND A SAVIOUR;
THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME.
22. FOR I AM EL, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.
24. SURELY IN JEHOVAH HAVE I RIGHTEOUSNESS
AND STRENGTH.
25. IN JEHOVAH SHALL ALL THE SEED OF ISRAEL BE
JUSTIFIED, AND SHALL GLORY.
Now read the chapter through and tell me, are Jehovah, El, and Elohim one and the same? Is there only one God? And is not that one God Creator, Saviour, and the only One to be worshipped? And did you note that in verse 23 El says something that is repeated in Ph'p 2:10? According to this, Christ is El. And El is both Elohim and Jehovah. Then who is Christ?
The Word made flesh is God. Not a god, as some would say, for that brings in other gods and that is contrary to the very first commandment and has to do with idolatry. As true Christians we have to recognize the fact that Jesus of Nazareth was God, or no god at all. Only God is to be worshipped, according to the law of Israel. That has not been changed. Worship is ordained for Christ in Ph'p. 2:10. "And let all the angels of God worship Him." So says Hebrews 1:6.
We purposely used Isaiah 45 here because some have even tried to make Jehovah a lesser god. The chapter speaks for itself. Jehovah is God and there is none else. Take away Jehovah and there is no God. Take away Jesus Christ and there is no God. The implications are plain. There is one God, but three persons.

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Matthew 9:3
And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemes.

Mark 2:7
Why does this man thus speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God only?

Who can forgive sins but God only? In that, they had spoken correctly.

But while they thought that they were indicting Jesus by saying these two little words, "He blasphemes," instead they were indicting themselves.

They had acknowledge that "only God can heal" and therefore by saying "this man blasphemes", they might as well have said instead, "I don't believe that you are the Son of God".

God bless, [Cross] BORN AGAIN

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