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BORN AGAIN
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Of late when I have thought of the relationship between us Christian brothers and sisters, I have at times thought of the relationships of the sons and daughters of King David.
For our Lord was the Son of David, and will also be a Greater David.
The sons and daughters of King David were sons and daughters of a King. And we go them one better: we have the counsel of the Holy Spirit with us (if so be that we have believed in Jesus) and a downpayment of the Spirit's life lives in us too.
The sons and daughters of King David could have lived by the faith of the coming Messiah predicted of the tribe of Judah, from the family of David, and later by Micah predicted to be born in Bethlehem of Judah, the city of David.
Anyway, we are a lot like the sons and daughters of King David; they were the sons and daughters of the King.
God bless, ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) BORN AGAIN
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Dear brother PetriFB in Finland, if you could make your paragraphs a little shorter, than they’d be easier to read. You also write quote:
Believers are saved from the mercy of God, and this is not of us, because the salvation is the gift of God.
I am so thankful that God Elohim has provided for His justice so that with us Christians and with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, God Elohim is allowed to move in His mercy, because, for us, justice was paid for by the awful suffering of our Lord Yahshua-Jesus on the cross outside the camp of Jerusalem.
May the LORD God of Israel bless us all on this CBBS, I am BORN AGAIN
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Amen David! Amen Petri! Excellent Excellent posts both of you!! ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif)
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FROM REVELATION TO REVOLUTION
"Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this Book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:10-12).
We see here a further polarization between the righteous and the unrighteous, a very pressing conflict between those who will stand for God's Will and God's Kingdom, the preeminence of Christ, and those forces at work that would render powerless the Testimony of Jesus by keeping the saints focused on the natural, the flesh-and-blood, the carnal, and the temporal; particularly those elements and factions within the Church itself that do not accurately represent the heart and mind of God, but claim to.
Organized Religion claims to represent Christ in the earth, but if that representation is faulty then it is almost as bad as having no representation at all, and in many respects it is preferable to the enemy, for now he is able to distort God as God and reduce Him down to the level of our own vain imagination. The Testimony of Jesus does not consist of what we think or say about Jesus; it is the revelation of Christ as He IN FACT IS. To manifest HIM as He is, in life as well as words, is to properly bear the Testimony. The problem is that the Church claims to have the Testimony of Jesus when they are in fact representing something which is NOT Jesus, but is actually far removed from the revelation of Christ.
by Chip Brogden
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Amen! Good post.
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Hebrews 5:1 through Hebrews 5:6 (NIV)
1Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. 2He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. 3This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. 4No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was. 5So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.”
6And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
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I believe there are to many self appointed preachers today. They do not place Jesus Christ first. They only teach about Him but they really don't know Him.
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Jesus Christ gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers to the congregation. Whose ministries aim is there, so that saints would come finished to the work of the service to the building of Christ’s body. Believers task is preach the gospel to this world and also mutual edifying of the congregation. As the result of the real apostles work is born congregations, which apostles teach and then they set to the congregation elders, and those elders lead the work of locality congregation. Real apostle does not bind people to himself, just to Christ Jesus and give sheep to good care of locality elders. Real prophet brings the word of the Lord to the congregation. Real prophet does not bind flock to himself, but to Christ Jesus.
Real evangelist functions just same way as worked evangelist Philip in Samaria. Philip preached the gospel in Samaria, whereupon people came to the faith in Jesus Christ. After that apostles and elders of Jerusalem’s congregation came to Samaria, in which they taught the word of God to the congregation. Evangelist Philip left the work to the hands of apostles and elders, which started as consequence of Philip’s preaching. Real evangelist does not bind believers to himself, but leave them to good and loving care of congregation shepherds. Shepherds, who are teachers, bishops, elders and leaders, teach for congregation the word of God. Real shepherds don't bind sheep to themselves, but teaching believers to root to Jesus Christ. And real shepherds giving to the sheep space to build congregation, through those gifts which God has given to them.
Real ministry affected by the Holy Spirit not so ever bind believers to any man or any ministry, but alone to Jesus Christ. And real ministry affected by the Holy Spirit supports mutual edifying of believers. From this fruit knows the spiritual ministry, in which God gets all the glory. Believer who are overpowered by fleshy mind serves God searching his own glory, which distinguishing marks are: Binding of the believers to himself, control spirit, in which believers are controlled to believe and promote to some ministry and person. Fleshy ministry promote all the time his/her own ministry. Fleshy ministry does not agree to suffer in the love with his/her sisters and brothers, but hit merciless to those, who he experiences for the threat to himself. Fleshy believer raise other believers to resist with all kinds of lies and incorrect supposition to those, which he experiences for the threat to himself. Fleshy believers flatter to those, who support his work, but to those he feels anger, which he experiences for the threat to his own work.
Believers are saved from the mercy of God, and this is not of us, because the salvation is the gift of God. Salvation doesn’t give according to people acts that any flesh would not boast. For the faith is work of God, and believers are created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God before prepared that we should walk in them.Jesus Christ lived sinless life according to demand of the law. Through death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God donate salvation from the mercy for those, who receive the salvation. Jesus Christ said on the cross: "It is finished ". He filled all for us. So walk on your life of the faith in the safety of the righteousness of Christ, in which He affect in you righteous life.
Calling of believer in relation to sisters and brothers in Christ is, that he love his sisters and brothers in Christ in all lowliness, meekness and longsuffering. Every believer is in different phase of the growth in his life of the faith. Someone is just in the beginning and learning the principles of the doctrine of Christ, some other already carry from the mercy of God fruit, which glorifies God.
Because of this when we are in different phases of the growth and imperfect also as believers, so we must suffer also one another in the love. This Love is love of God. The Bible says that the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit given to us. Love of the God is so already poured out to the heart of believers through the Holy Spirit. Through the Holy Spirit believer can experience that love, whereby God loves us. Life of the faith is not closed to our feelings, but when we in the faith stretch out to the life according to word of God, so by that way we can also feel and understand it how deeply God loves us. Through the Holy Spirit we get also power to love our sisters and brothers in Christ and also your unbeliever neighbour and also those who hate us.
Through love of God affected by the Holy Spirit in the congregation is preserved unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. In the heart of believer love of God affect preserving of unity and oneness of the congregation, which in the bond of peace has firmly tied together. To this direction believer grows from the effect of the Holy Spirit to love his sisters and brothers.
God is one and He has done covenant of unity between Him and believers.
May GBU!
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